Fire Leitao and/or DePaul Athletic Director??

[MUBoxer]

I disagree. The big east core is the primary tenant in the northeast. The big ten is the primary tenant in the Midwest. We need to remain the primary conference in the northeast, and the better we are in the Midwest is a bonus. And that's not a slight to the Midwest teams as they are fantastic additions to the league. But we need to own that amtrak rail from DC up to msg.

But this is off track as the issue is our biggest media market in the Midwest isn't trying. They made a very suspect hire and he is proving to be terrible.

Fair enough, but I believe that whole "owning a region" concept is left over from a bygone era of regional games. Not the 90s/easrly 2000s anymore.

See they are trying in that they've made the new arena. Your response was that it's years away, well Rome wasn't built in a day. I agree the hire was very underwhelming and quite honestly I'm not so sure he won't bolt again if he has success. But they have nowhere to go but up which is possible if Leitao is gone after a couple years.

Personally I don't care about Depaul, I haven't rooted for them since I was in 7th grade but I think you are being a little unfair to them holding them to an unattainable standard over night.

[MUBoxer]

We are getting off track here, but 1. I'm not underestimatin how good it will be to have a Chicago presence. I would love DePaul to be a college hoops anchor in the Midwest; but at the same time (2) it is just as important that we maintain our presence as the premier team in the northeast corridor.

It's not even real a debate or argument. We need all of our teams to do well. But this idea that we can have nova tank and the league would be fine is false. Georgetown, nova and St. John are very important to the success of the league. And for fifteen yrs the league has been fine with DePaul being DePaul (although the league would be better if DePaul would follow Georgetown or nova's lead and hire a real coach)

See that's where I think you're too ingrained in this old Big East idea. If Marquette and DePaul looked like they did in the 70s/early 80s and GTown and Nova fell flat the big east would be just as fine as they are now. And yes for 10 years the leagues been fine without DePaul (where'd you get 15? They joined in 05 and its 2015) but the same could be said about St. John's which you so avidly vouche for despite their struggles.

We've been better than DePaul since they joined the league.

Actually in 2006, 2007, 2008 you finished under them. Yes you've performed better, and shown to achieve your potential a couple times. But let's not act like you've somehow blown them out of the water with your performance.

[MackNova]

Thank you, RedStorm. Could not have stated it any better.

Until St. John's and DePaul reach new heights, the Big East will not be recognized, as a conference, on the same level as the P5. Nova can be great every year but that will not help OUR cause.

The TV networks WANT New York and Chicago big-time.....for a future TV contract!

Philadelphia is just below Chicago as a TV market.

DePaul has been a bad team for a decade, I don't know why anyone (Ball) would have thought this would be fixed by now.

St. John's is the only team that could help the Big East for national perception and coverage because of New York. Chicago, Philly, they don't have the same cache as New York.

And even then, the league needs to win. Right now, it hasn't done that. Villanova has been the only consistent title contender, and Nova has crapped the bed in March both years.

[NJRedman]

See that's where I think you're too ingrained in this old Big East idea. If Marquette and DePaul looked like they did in the 70s/early 80s and GTown and Nova fell flat the big east would be just as fine as they are now. And yes for 10 years the leagues been fine without DePaul (where'd you get 15? They joined in 05 and its 2015) but the same could be said about St. John's which you so avidly vouche for despite their struggles.

We've been better than DePaul since they joined the league.

Actually in 2006, 2007, 2008 you finished under them. Yes you've performed better, and shown to achieve your potential a couple times. But let's not act like you've somehow blown them out of the water with your performance.

Come on now, stop acting like DePaul has been even competent in their BE tenure. We have 2 NCAA appearances and finished as high as 3rd in the old BIg East when they were members.

05-06 12-15 (5-11)
06-07 20-14 (9-7)
07-08 11-19 (6-12)
08-09 9-24 (0-18)
09-10 8-23 (1-17)
10-11 7-24 (1-17)
11-12 12-19 (3-15)
12-13 11-21 (2-16)
13-14 12-21 (3-15)
14-15 12-20 (6-12)

Now lets look at St. John's in that same time.

05-06 12-15 (5-11)
06-07 16-15 (7-9)
07-08 11-19 (5-13)
08-09 16-18 (6-12)
09-10 17-16 (6-12)
10-11 21-12 (12-6)
11-12 13-19 (6-12)
12-13 17-16 (8-10)
13-14 20-13 (10-8)
14-15 21-12 (10-8)

Now we haven't been world beaters but we have not been anywhere near as bad as DePaul has been. DePaul has 36 conference wins in 10 years (20 of which were in the first 3 years) while St. John's has had 75 conference wins in that time. Facts.

[MUBoxer]

We've been better than DePaul since they joined the league.

Actually in 2006, 2007, 2008 you finished under them. Yes you've performed better, and shown to achieve your potential a couple times. But let's not act like you've somehow blown them out of the water with your performance.

Come on now, stop acting like DePaul has been even competent in their BE tenure. We have 2 NCAA appearances and finished as high as 3rd in the old BIg East when they were members.

05-06 12-15 (5-11)
06-07 20-14 (9-7)
07-08 11-19 (6-12)
08-09 9-24 (0-18)
09-10 8-23 (1-17)
10-11 7-24 (1-17)
11-12 12-19 (3-15)
12-13 11-21 (2-16)
13-14 12-21 (3-15)
14-15 12-20 (6-12)

Now lets look at St. John's in that same time.

05-06 12-15 (5-11)
06-07 16-15 (7-9)
07-08 11-19 (5-13)
08-09 16-18 (6-12)
09-10 17-16 (6-12)
10-11 21-12 (12-6)
11-12 13-19 (6-12)
12-13 17-16 (8-10)
13-14 20-13 (10-8)
14-15 21-12 (10-8)

Now we haven't been world beaters but we have not been anywhere near as bad as DePaul has been. DePaul has 36 conference wins in 10 years (20 of which were in the first 3 years) while St. John's has had 75 conference wins in that time. Facts.

I'm not acting like they've been competent, not at all. They've been a complete dumpster fire minus one year where I'd say they were snubbed. You laid out a statement claiming it as fact "We've been better than Depaul since they joined the league" This is true in total though year by year this is false. I just wanted to point out that there was a point in time where it looked like Depaul would be the one to rebuild not you guys. Like I said you guys reached your potential a couple of times and agree have not been as bad. But if we take it year by year you guys have not always been beating up on Depaul.

[Vill]

The title alone makes this the dumbest thread ever.

[Jet915]

Thread should be retitled: Fire Depaul AD.

[NovaBall]

Congratulations to Dave Leitao for beating Norfolk State by FOUR points.

Billy Garrett, Tommy Hamilton, et al. are so bad that beating Norfolk State by only FOUR points cannot be pinned on you, Mr. Dave Leitao.

This idea that DePaul has no talent is ridiculous. They have tons more talent than Norfolk State but were tied with Norfolk state in the final minute. Why? Coach is bad, that's why!

[RedStormHoops]

Congratulations to Dave Leitao for beating Norfolk State by FOUR points.

Billy Garrett, Tommy Hamilton, et al. are so bad that beating Norfolk State by only FOUR points cannot be pinned on you, Mr. Dave Leitao.

This idea that DePaul has no talent is ridiculous. They have tons more talent than Norfolk State but were tied with Norfolk state in the final minute. Why? Coach is bad, that's why!

Find a post where someone said they have no talent.

[NovaBall]

I know DePaul's talent way more than you do. It is very average.....very.

Here is one of them. But this is just one of many in other threads by a small group of Leitao defenders.

Leitao is a bad coach, it is not a talent thing.