Conference of the Americas......one-bid

[Westbrook#36]

On the seed list that Lunardi put out yesterday- Tulsa was the 3rd team out. Creighton was the 7th team out.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor

Didn't you just say that Creighton's resume wasn't similar??

Tulsa is in the top 50 in RPI and Ken Pom. They actually played a good OOC SOS(like Temple and Cincy). That's why they are all in so much better shape than Creighton. The resumes are NOT similar at all. Well, Creighton's resume is similar to Houston's. I don't think either is all that close quite frankly.

Why, yes you did. But here you are crapping on Creighton's chances while defending a similar aaaaac resume. Even your go to boy Joey brackets says they're similar, so which is it?? Like I said, right on cue.

3rd team out and 7th team out pretty big difference.

And sorry look at this and say with a straight face that these are similar resumes
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... LSA/CREIGH

I see you're breaking out those mobile goalposts on swivel caster wheels again.

[stever20]

You can say whatever the hell you want. The fact is Tulsa IS in better shape than Creighton is. Creighton's resume is NOT that strong. The resumes aren't similar.

[SJUBBALL]

Stever, on Lunardis bracketology, Tulsa isn't even listed on the bubble. At least Creighton is in the Next Four Out. So how are Tulsa in "such better shape" if one of the most accurate bracketologists has Creighton on the bubble and not Tulsa...

On the seed list that Lunardi put out yesterday- Tulsa was the 3rd team out. Creighton was the 7th team out.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor

This was tweeted out before Creighton beat Marquette and Tulsa lost to UConn correct?

[CoachK]

Stever, on Lunardis bracketology, Tulsa isn't even listed on the bubble. At least Creighton is in the Next Four Out. So how are Tulsa in "such better shape" if one of the most accurate bracketologists has Creighton on the bubble and not Tulsa...

On the seed list that Lunardi put out yesterday- Tulsa was the 3rd team out. Creighton was the 7th team out.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor

This was tweeted out before Creighton beat Marquette and Tulsa lost to UConn correct?

Unless they played before 6:57 am yesterday, yes.

But why would I be surprised that someone who revived a post from 2 weeks ago might be stretching the truth a bit.

[stever20]

Stever, on Lunardis bracketology, Tulsa isn't even listed on the bubble. At least Creighton is in the Next Four Out. So how are Tulsa in "such better shape" if one of the most accurate bracketologists has Creighton on the bubble and not Tulsa...

On the seed list that Lunardi put out yesterday- Tulsa was the 3rd team out. Creighton was the 7th team out.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor

This was tweeted out before Creighton beat Marquette and Tulsa lost to UConn correct?

It was. but it's very possible neither of those changes the equation much at all. Especially the Tulsa loss. We'll see here in a few hours as bracketology normally comes out today for him.

[Xavier4036]

Tulsa is in the top 50 in RPI and Ken Pom. They actually played a good OOC SOS(like Temple and Cincy). That's why they are all in so much better shape than Creighton. The resumes are NOT similar at all. Well, Creighton's resume is similar to Houston's. I don't think either is all that close quite frankly.

3rd team out and 7th team out pretty big difference.
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Stever, you first say that Creighton and Tulsa's resumes are "NOT similar at all" and then when someone posts Lunardi's bracketology that lists Tulsa as 3rd team out and Creighton as 7th team out, you somehow make up this idea that 4 spots away - in mid February - is a "pretty big difference."

Than when someone points out that Lunardi's tweet was at 8:57AM on Saturday, before any games were played you say "but it's very possible neither of those changes the equation much at all. Especially the Tulsa loss." Tulsa LOST to a BUBBLE TEAM and Creighton WON ON THE ROAD to a team with a 115 RPI. In what world does winning on the road to a Top 115 team and losing to a bubble team "not change the equation much at all"..... only in the world of a man that is trying his very hardest to push a pro-AAAAC agenda on a Big East board with total disregard for facts/reality.

This is the same man that resurrected a 2-week old thread to try and make the point how the AAC is "closing the gap" with the Big East..... when the Big East is the #4 conference in the nation per RPI and AAC is the #8 conference in the nation per RPI ..... using the raw RPI numbers like you like to do, the AAC is MUCH closer in RPI to the Colonial, Mid-American, Summit, A-10 and Mountain West conferences than it is to the Big East - and it's not particularly close.

But you are just a Georgetown fan with an ultra-obsession, without regard to facts and/or reality, to the AAC and them getting as many teams in the NCAA, right?

[stever20]

well- ESPN's bracketology is out....

Nova 1 East(AS THE #1 Seed overall)
PC 7 East
Xavier 2 South
Seton Hall 11 MW

Butler 3rd team out
Creighton not even mentioned- but Tulsa 6th team out

CBS:
Xavier 2 MW
Providence 8 MW
Nova 1 E
Butler 10 E

Seton Hall 2nd team out
Creighton not mentioned- but Tulsa 3rd team out

[GumbyDamnit!]

well- ESPN's bracketology is out....

Nova 1 East(AS THE #1 Seed overall)
PC 7 East
Xavier 2 South
Seton Hall 11 MW

Butler 3rd team out
Creighton not even mentioned- but Tulsa 6th team out

CBS:
Xavier 2 MW
Providence 8 MW
Nova 1 E
Butler 10 E

Seton Hall 2nd team out
Creighton not mentioned- but Tulsa 3rd team out

What may be very interesting is if Cincy, Temple and Butler all end up on the bubble together. It may be hard for either Temple or Cincy to claim they deserve to be in over Butler as the Bulldogs won both--one on a neutral court (Temple) and the other AT Cincy.

Also not looking to get into a pissing match but I think when your conference is the #8 ranked conf by RPI and you are a team with very little OOC to hang your hat on, I'd be worried--especially if you have some bad losses in there.

Case in point... 3 best OOC wins (by RPI) / bad losses

Butler : 20 (n), @ 59, 68 (n) / @113
SHU: 56(H), 66 (H), 85 (n) / no bad losses
Creighton: 152 (H), 156 (n), 181(H) / @226 - Not hard to see why CU has to grab several more good wins.

Uconn: @21, 52 (n), 83 (H) / no bad losses
Cincy: 50 (n), @54, 152 (n) / @134
Tulsa: 56(H), 78 (n), @ 142 / 140 (H)
Temple: 221(n), 234 (H), 243(n) / @180 Really, really bad OOC. Temple desperately needs the Nova game on Wednesday.

SHU is in best shape, Butler & UConn probably tied for 2nd/3rd, as each have multiple quality OOC Top 100 wins. Loony-ardi has Temple as an 11 seed. Like I said they either better beat Nova or make it to the finals of the AAC tourney IMO. Gun to my head I would say the BE is a 5 bid league and the AAC a 2 bid league, but it all comes down to who plays themselves in these next few weeks.

Here's the thing as well Stever. If Temple gets completely dismantled by Nova on their home court I think Bracketologists will take notice and that may harm the entire AAC. Conversely should Temple win, then maybe they give the entire conference the benefit of the doubt. Wed. may be very big for both conferences.

[HoosierPal]

well- ESPN's bracketology is out....

Nova 1 East(AS THE #1 Seed overall)
PC 7 East
Xavier 2 South
Seton Hall 11 MW

Butler 3rd team out
Creighton not even mentioned- but Tulsa 6th team out

CBS:
Xavier 2 MW
Providence 8 MW
Nova 1 E
Butler 10 E

Seton Hall 2nd team out
Creighton not mentioned- but Tulsa 3rd team out

What may be very interesting is if Cincy, Temple and Butler all end up on the bubble together. It may be hard for either Temple or Cincy to claim they deserve to be in over Butler as the Bulldogs won both--one on a neutral court (Temple) and the other AT Cincy.

Also not looking to get into a pissing match but I think when your conference is the #8 ranked conf by RPI and you are a team with very little OOC to hang your hat on, I'd be worried--especially if you have some bad losses in there.

Case in point... 3 best OOC wins (by RPI) / bad losses

Butler : 20 (n), @ 59, 68 (n) / @113
SHU: 56(H), 66 (H), 85 (n) / no bad losses
Creighton: 152 (H), 156 (n), 181(H) / @226 - Not hard to see why CU has to grab several more good wins.

Uconn: @21, 52 (n), 83 (H) / no bad losses
Cincy: 50 (n), @54, 152 (n) / @134
Tulsa: 56(H), 78 (n), @ 142 / 140 (H)
Temple: 221(n), 234 (H), 243(n) / @180 Really, really bad OOC. Temple desperately needs the Nova game on Wednesday.

SHU is in best shape, Butler & UConn probably tied for 2nd/3rd, as each have multiple quality OOC Top 100 wins. Loony-ardi has Temple as an 11 seed. Like I said they either better beat Nova or make it to the finals of the AAC tourney IMO. Gun to my head I would say the BE is a 5 bid league and the AAC a 2 bid league, but it all comes down to who plays themselves in these next few weeks.

Here's the thing as well Stever. If Temple gets completely dismantled by Nova on their home court I think Bracketologists will take notice and that may harm the entire AAC. Conversely should Temple win, then maybe they give the entire conference the benefit of the doubt. Wed. may be very big for both conferences.

Not sure why this bubble discussion is only AAC vs Big East. To me the one bubble team the NCAA would LOVE to put into the tourney is LSU with Ben Simmons. The A10 has 2 to 4 bubble teams, all of which could be selected over the AAC and BE bubble teams. How many from the Big 12? If they get 8 in the bubble gets popped earlier. Pac 12, 8 to 10? To rank AAC v BE for tourney bids makes for interesting commentary, but the committee won't be comparing the two leagues one on one.

[Xavier4036]

Not sure why this bubble discussion is only AAC vs Big East. To me the one bubble team the NCAA would LOVE to put into the tourney is LSU with Ben Simmons. The A10 has 2 to 4 bubble teams, all of which could be selected over the AAC and BE bubble teams. How many from the Big 12? If they get 8 in the bubble gets popped earlier. Pac 12, 8 to 10? To rank AAC v BE for tourney bids makes for interesting commentary, but the committee won't be comparing the two leagues one on one.

Totally agreed.

The only, ONLY reason why the comparison is the Big East to the American is because there is one poster on here, Stever, who allegedly is a Georgetown fan but ultra-obsessed with the #8 conference in the country, the American Athletic Conference, that has RPI numbers similar to conferences like the Colonial, Summit, MAC, etc.

As has been noted, this thread had been dormant for 2 weeks, until Stever resurrected it yesterday to point out that the AAC was the #8 conference in the nation with raw RPI numbers similar to the Colonial, Summit, MAC, Mountain West....but has, in his mind, "closed the gap" between the AAC and the #4 Big East.