Surviving in the Big East Moving Forward

[NJRedman]

Gtmo i think is the only person on this board, from any BE fanbase, who opposes UConn joining us. I don't understand his obsession with UConn and the C7. I don't even think in terms of the "C7" anymore.

For years I've said only 2 teams are missed: Syracuse and UConn. I couldn't give two sh!ts about West Virginia, nor Louisville, nor Cincinnati, nor Pittsburgh, nor Boston College, nor any of those teams.

Any discussion about UConn from pre-2014 BE fans is really about calming a couple (ok, really just Gtmo) of people down in what i think is their misunderstanding about the Huskies. Right? From decades of history with them, my opinion is that UConn has an excellent, intelligent fanbase. Yes, they're public... but from there Gtmo, you're (incorrectly to me) jumping to the conclusion that they're obnoxious and drunken or something weird like some of the dimwits at Wichita State.

You also seem to think the C-7 is going to ignore or lose interest in our western teams? First of all, that's kind of a weird thought, and second i don't even understand what it means.

The thing is... this new iteration of the BE started/founded on 4 things: PRIVATE, small, likeminded, and Basketball 1st. It's worked well for 6 years. Adding a public school is akin to buying full coverage insurance on your house and finding out 6 years later you're not covered for flooding. Unexpected and unintended consequences for the conference.

Would I mind Syracuse or Notre Dame? No. Primarily due to the fact that they are private and meet about the same amount of criteria as UConn. My ONLY bitch is that UConn is a public school. I see the notion put forward about history and champeenships, etc, et al. Nice.

Am I concerned about competition? No, because the annual 3-8 bloodbath will sort things out as it has thus far. Whatever success by any school will be earned. Will the Western Division get forgotten? No as we are the most competitive part of the conference, to date. I like to use the C7 to make a differentiation and to make my point regarding old school vs the current configuration. Am I worried little Creighton will get left behind? No. Creighton has a long history of being an outlier, competing as the "odd school" in the mix, and succeeding against the odds. Bring it on.

Billyjack...so what's your day job? Scenario building/conspiracy theorizing for the Rand Corp? If not, you need to apply with them cause you are very good at it.

As for Xudash's pecking order. All is well and fine that 5-6 teams go dancing each year. All is fine that anyone can get hot in the dance and make a run. But I for one did not sign up to be one of the middlin' majors of the conference - to be the Illinois of the BEAST. I and I hope CU, signed on to become a leader in this new configuration of the BEAST, to develop into a major player both in conference AND nationally. Making the dance annually is not the goal not good enough. Pecking order and conference standing are still important, to me.

Good point Gumby - When we were back in the MVC standing was a key factor as we were only getting 2 bids, sometimes 3. As it was CU would steal the autobid by winning the Creighton Invitational (conf tourney) in St Louis.

We have a great thing going here in the BEast. Just want it to continue at the highest levels. gtmo

Last I checked you weren't signing anything when CU joined up.

[gtmoBlue]

Gtmo i think is the only person on this board, from any BE fanbase, who opposes UConn joining us. I don't understand his obsession with UConn and the C7. I don't even think in terms of the "C7" anymore.

For years I've said only 2 teams are missed: Syracuse and UConn. I couldn't give two sh!ts about West Virginia, nor Louisville, nor Cincinnati, nor Pittsburgh, nor Boston College, nor any of those teams.

Any discussion about UConn from pre-2014 BE fans is really about calming a couple (ok, really just Gtmo) of people down in what i think is their misunderstanding about the Huskies. Right? From decades of history with them, my opinion is that UConn has an excellent, intelligent fanbase. Yes, they're public... but from there Gtmo, you're (incorrectly to me) jumping to the conclusion that they're obnoxious and drunken or something weird like some of the dimwits at Wichita State.

You also seem to think the C-7 is going to ignore or lose interest in our western teams? First of all, that's kind of a weird thought, and second i don't even understand what it means.

The thing is... this new iteration of the BE started/founded on 4 things: PRIVATE, small, likeminded, and Basketball 1st. It's worked well for 6 years. Adding a public school is akin to buying full coverage insurance on your house and finding out 6 years later you're not covered for flooding. Unexpected and unintended consequences for the conference.

Would I mind Syracuse or Notre Dame? No. Primarily due to the fact that they are private and meet about the same amount of criteria as UConn. My ONLY bitch is that UConn is a public school. I see the notion put forward about history and champeenships, etc, et al. Nice.

Am I concerned about competition? No, because the annual 3-8 bloodbath will sort things out as it has thus far. Whatever success by any school will be earned. Will the Western Division get forgotten? No as we are the most competitive part of the conference, to date. I like to use the C7 to make a differentiation and to make my point regarding old school vs the current configuration. Am I worried little Creighton will get left behind? No. Creighton has a long history of being an outlier, competing as the "odd school" in the mix, and succeeding against the odds. Bring it on.

Billyjack...so what's your day job? Scenario building/conspiracy theorizing for the Rand Corp? If not, you need to apply with them cause you are very good at it.

As for Xudash's pecking order. All is well and fine that 5-6 teams go dancing each year. All is fine that anyone can get hot in the dance and make a run. But I for one did not sign up to be one of the middlin' majors of the conference - to be the Illinois of the BEAST. I and I hope CU, signed on to become a leader in this new configuration of the BEAST, to develop into a major player both in conference AND nationally. Making the dance annually is not the goal not good enough. Pecking order and conference standing are still important, to me.

Good point Gumby - When we were back in the MVC standing was a key factor as we were only getting 2 bids, sometimes 3. As it was CU would steal the autobid by winning the Creighton Invitational (conf tourney) in St Louis.

We have a great thing going here in the BEast. Just want it to continue at the highest levels. gtmo

Last I checked you weren't signing anything when CU joined up.

Fr Lannon was my proxy.

[gtmoBlue]

QUESTION:

Does anyone here know/have access to Big East total revenue figures for the last reported years (2017 and 2018)?

Not just NCAA credits. Not just Fox TV, but total revenues: Gear/Clothing Merchandizing, TV, BEDN, NCAA, Oly sports, other streams.
trying to get some figures to guess what the league's monetary value is.

[Hall2012]

Outside of possibly Nova's dominance, I don't think we will establish much of a pecking order. Teams will have up years and down years with a lot of standing rotation.

As for the UConn thing, I get the frustration from Creighton. They're coming in with tons of respect from C7. Maybe you feel they haven't earned that respect, having not even played a game in this iteration of the league yet. But to us C7 fans, they've more than earned it with their 17 Big East championships.