It's Time To Pay Attention To College Basketball (ESPN)

[XUFan09]

Luckily for us it's called the NCAA tournament and not the KenPom or stever20 tournament. Curious what is PC's toughness metric on KenPom? Oh wait, he doesn't measure that? Whatever.

advanced metrics are starting to play more and more a role in the selection of the tournament along with the seeding of the tourney. Last year, that had a HUGE impact on seeding/selection. I know Creighton's AD even said that a few weeks before the tourney last year.

Advanced metrics are not part of the selection criteria.

False.

[NovaBall]

Do you have a link saying they are now using advanced metrics? I don't recall seeing one. I could be wrong. But for years they always stated that advanced metrics like sagarin and kenpom were not a factor. If they are now using them, that is a new thing.

[FriarJ]

It's his MO when he's losing a point, he just goes away and pollutes another thread with his nonsense. He stated that PC was going to receive a poorer seed than many expect because of their advanced metrics. I asked him about a toughness metric, which manifests itself in true road wins. Crickets. Then I just came out with it and asked him directly what does the committee consider more important, his metrics or true road wins, of course everybody knows every year when answering seeding questions all they talk about is road wins, so in honesty I was baiting him but you would think he would have the balls to go you are right, I might have jumped the gun on my PC seeding comment, but Crickets. The definition of a message board loser who only wants to see their side of it.

I personally believe they look at them for seeding but at the end of the day your as good as your record says you are. PC won't finish the year unbeaten on the road for sure but a good record with a good road record gets you a good seed despite whether your rebound percentage on 3 point shots with less than 5 on the shot clock in a 5 point game being played before 3:00pm on a Saturday with a full moon in February was good or not

DId you read my post yesterday at 6:15pm... from it I said.....
I would think the advanced metrics probably mean more because the location is incorporated in it. I mean we saw that this past weekend. Creighton beat Seton Hall on the road by 15 points. Their rating went up from 60 to 40. They don't jump 20 spots if they win at home.

So I did answer your question.....

Now with regards to PC lets look at something...
right now they are only #21 in the RPI.

in bracket matrix- they are on average 4.35, tied with Iowa St for the lowest 4 seed.

Also- if I wasn't moderated you would have seen my answer faster and you wouldn't have questioned it. Your crickets comment is below the belt and you know it.

I take it back, I was not aware you were moderated. That sucks as it slips your posts in after I thought I had already read a particular page. My mistake. What I asked in fairness though is what the committee uses more not what road wins mean to your advanced metrics.

[stever20]

It's his MO when he's losing a point, he just goes away and pollutes another thread with his nonsense. He stated that PC was going to receive a poorer seed than many expect because of their advanced metrics. I asked him about a toughness metric, which manifests itself in true road wins. Crickets. Then I just came out with it and asked him directly what does the committee consider more important, his metrics or true road wins, of course everybody knows every year when answering seeding questions all they talk about is road wins, so in honesty I was baiting him but you would think he would have the balls to go you are right, I might have jumped the gun on my PC seeding comment, but Crickets. The definition of a message board loser who only wants to see their side of it.

I personally believe they look at them for seeding but at the end of the day your as good as your record says you are. PC won't finish the year unbeaten on the road for sure but a good record with a good road record gets you a good seed despite whether your rebound percentage on 3 point shots with less than 5 on the shot clock in a 5 point game being played before 3:00pm on a Saturday with a full moon in February was good or not

DId you read my post yesterday at 6:15pm... from it I said.....
I would think the advanced metrics probably mean more because the location is incorporated in it. I mean we saw that this past weekend. Creighton beat Seton Hall on the road by 15 points. Their rating went up from 60 to 40. They don't jump 20 spots if they win at home.

So I did answer your question.....

Now with regards to PC lets look at something...
right now they are only #21 in the RPI.

in bracket matrix- they are on average 4.35, tied with Iowa St for the lowest 4 seed.

Also- if I wasn't moderated you would have seen my answer faster and you wouldn't have questioned it. Your crickets comment is below the belt and you know it.

I take it back, I was not aware you were moderated. That sucks as it slips your posts in after I thought I had already read a particular page. My mistake. What I asked in fairness though is what the committee uses more not what road wins mean to your advanced metrics.

I think advanced metrics do- as the road stuff is incorporated into it. If you aren't good on the road, your advanced metrics aren't going to be good. Road games are where you can get the big jumps in the advanced metric ratings. See Creighton this past weekend.

I think where the road record really comes into play is if you suck on the road. If you're like 2-8 away from home or something like that.

Texas is a great example....
RPI #26
road/neutral record 2-5
Ken Pom #57

That's why in bracket matrix they are only a 10 seed and not in 10 folks brackets right now.