Is Homogeneity Of Membership Good Or Bad?

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[Savannah Jay]

I find it interesting that for the most part the belief we need to expand and some of the ridiculous names that are thrown about are fans of the 3 newer schools. Guys this is not the MVC anymore. This is the BIg East emphasis on Big, meaning Bigtime. Think about what schoole truly deserves to play in a Conference tournament in MSG when thinking of a school. We have proved this is working great. The league should and will I believe be VERY selective when thinking of expanding if they do at all. This is now an exclusive club, enjoy it.

I find this interesting because in one of the other 25 threads about conference realignment, expansion, non-big east expansion, homogeneity, etc. Creighton fans (and other newbies) were accused of wanting to close the door to expansion "now that we're in." The perception that all Creighton fans are for or against expansion may be a perception based on the most recent or frequent commenter?

I am definitely in the "why should we expand?" camp. I don't see the benefit (given the pool of available schools) and, I believe, the big conferences will "fall apart" before the Big East expands. I've stated this opinion before...the only thing binding those big conferences is money and I think that will also be the thing that ultimately tears them apart. I am also a big fan of the round robin scheduling.

[NJRedman]

the problem is that the Big Ten isn't going to have so many games that they're going to be all that helpful quite frankly. It's 50 games for the season. Roughly 3 a week. For perspective, Pac 12 had 20 games on FS1 last year that were P12 controlled. 2 on Fox that were Fox controlled. All 22 were conference games. I seriously doubt the Big Ten is going to have Fox getting all the conference games. So what we've seen from Fox and FS1 with the Pac 12- that's going to be pretty close to what we see with the Big Ten. Weeks with 1,2,2,1,4,2,4,4,1 games per week. I think you'd see the 4's become 3's and the 1's become 2's- so between 2-3 games each week.

Maybe this year a bit more only because they're playing the conference tourney earlier. But not normally.

1 thing just thinking about that. With Big Ten tourney going week earlier, Raft will be around for the BET. HOWEVER- he is not allowed to air on Fox due to CBS contract. Would that factor into Fox maybe having the BET final on FS1 so Raft could do that game? Would Fox try to buy the rights to Raft for network for that 1 game- then allowing Raft to be on CBS on Sunday for the selection show?

Helpful in the fact that FS1 becomes part of mid-western sports fans rotation of checking channels. If Tom the Wisconsin fan from Milwaukee is flipping through the sports channels a night the Badgers aren't playing and comes across a Marquette v. Georgetown game he'll stick around and watch because he'll now be more likely to check FS1 since his beloved Badgers have games there. Same with Bill in Cleveland, Ed in Flint, Rob in Indianapolis or Mike in Minneapolis.

[stever20]

the problem is that the Big Ten isn't going to have so many games that they're going to be all that helpful quite frankly. It's 50 games for the season. Roughly 3 a week. For perspective, Pac 12 had 20 games on FS1 last year that were P12 controlled. 2 on Fox that were Fox controlled. All 22 were conference games. I seriously doubt the Big Ten is going to have Fox getting all the conference games. So what we've seen from Fox and FS1 with the Pac 12- that's going to be pretty close to what we see with the Big Ten. Weeks with 1,2,2,1,4,2,4,4,1 games per week. I think you'd see the 4's become 3's and the 1's become 2's- so between 2-3 games each week.

Maybe this year a bit more only because they're playing the conference tourney earlier. But not normally.

1 thing just thinking about that. With Big Ten tourney going week earlier, Raft will be around for the BET. HOWEVER- he is not allowed to air on Fox due to CBS contract. Would that factor into Fox maybe having the BET final on FS1 so Raft could do that game? Would Fox try to buy the rights to Raft for network for that 1 game- then allowing Raft to be on CBS on Sunday for the selection show?

Helpful in the fact that FS1 becomes part of mid-western sports fans rotation of checking channels. If Tom the Wisconsin fan from Milwaukee is flipping through the sports channels a night the Badgers aren't playing and comes across a Marquette v. Georgetown game he'll stick around and watch because he'll now be more likely to check FS1 since his beloved Badgers have games there. Same with Bill in Cleveland, Ed in Flint, Rob in Indianapolis or Mike in Minneapolis.

Right- BUT if there's only 2-3 Big Ten games a week on FS1, and at the same time 2-3 Big Ten games a week on ESPN- they still would likely go ESPN 1st. Tom from Milwaukee if he had the choice between a Georgetown/Marquette game on FS1 or a Big Ten game on ESPN would likely choose the Big Ten game.

[Jet915]

the problem is that the Big Ten isn't going to have so many games that they're going to be all that helpful quite frankly. It's 50 games for the season. Roughly 3 a week. For perspective, Pac 12 had 20 games on FS1 last year that were P12 controlled. 2 on Fox that were Fox controlled. All 22 were conference games. I seriously doubt the Big Ten is going to have Fox getting all the conference games. So what we've seen from Fox and FS1 with the Pac 12- that's going to be pretty close to what we see with the Big Ten. Weeks with 1,2,2,1,4,2,4,4,1 games per week. I think you'd see the 4's become 3's and the 1's become 2's- so between 2-3 games each week.

Maybe this year a bit more only because they're playing the conference tourney earlier. But not normally.

1 thing just thinking about that. With Big Ten tourney going week earlier, Raft will be around for the BET. HOWEVER- he is not allowed to air on Fox due to CBS contract. Would that factor into Fox maybe having the BET final on FS1 so Raft could do that game? Would Fox try to buy the rights to Raft for network for that 1 game- then allowing Raft to be on CBS on Sunday for the selection show?

Helpful in the fact that FS1 becomes part of mid-western sports fans rotation of checking channels. If Tom the Wisconsin fan from Milwaukee is flipping through the sports channels a night the Badgers aren't playing and comes across a Marquette v. Georgetown game he'll stick around and watch because he'll now be more likely to check FS1 since his beloved Badgers have games there. Same with Bill in Cleveland, Ed in Flint, Rob in Indianapolis or Mike in Minneapolis.

Right- BUT if there's only 2-3 Big Ten games a week on FS1, and at the same time 2-3 Big Ten games a week on ESPN- they still would likely go ESPN 1st. Tom from Milwaukee if he had the choice between a Georgetown/Marquette game on FS1 or a Big Ten game on ESPN would likely choose the Big Ten game.

stever, if the Big Ten had more games on FS1, you would be saying how bad it is for the Big East that the Big Ten is taking all the FS1 time slots, u cant have it both ways.

[stever20]

Not necessarily. One place that the Big Ten will probably really help FS1 is taking some of the Monday slots. Where it could easily impact the Big East is you are going to find Gus and Raft calling probably fewer Big East games and more Big Ten games.

My point with the Big Ten is that it's just not going to be big enough to make that much of a difference for FS1. 2-3 games a week.

[scoscox]

Right- BUT if there's only 2-3 Big Ten games a week on FS1, and at the same time 2-3 Big Ten games a week on ESPN- they still would likely go ESPN 1st. Tom from Milwaukee if he had the choice between a Georgetown/Marquette game on FS1 or a Big Ten game on ESPN would likely choose the Big Ten game.

I don't see how it's going to be anything, but a very positive step in the right direction. And considering Marquette is in Milwaukee I think it's extremely likely Tom keeps it on FS1.

[stever20]

Right- BUT if there's only 2-3 Big Ten games a week on FS1, and at the same time 2-3 Big Ten games a week on ESPN- they still would likely go ESPN 1st. Tom from Milwaukee if he had the choice between a Georgetown/Marquette game on FS1 or a Big Ten game on ESPN would likely choose the Big Ten game.

I don't see how it's going to be anything, but a very positive step in the right direction. And considering Marquette is in Milwaukee I think it's extremely likely Tom keeps it on FS1.

If he's a big Ten fan and there's a Big Ten game on ESPN, I don't see him watching the Big East game at all.

I think folks here think they're going to be seeing 4 or 5 games a week on FS1 from the Big Ten. Now that would make a difference. But 2-3 means far less. The fact that ESPN will be having just as much- and the same quality- mitigates the impact to a large degree.

[billyjack]

I find it interesting that for the most part the belief we need to expand and some of the ridiculous names that are thrown about are fans of the 3 newer schools. Guys this is not the MVC anymore. This is the BIg East emphasis on Big, meaning Bigtime. Think about what schoole truly deserves to play in a Conference tournament in MSG when thinking of a school. We have proved this is working great. The league should and will I believe be VERY selective when thinking of expanding if they do at all. This is now an exclusive club, enjoy it.

I haven't noticed fans from XU, Butler or Creighton being any more pro-expansion that anyone else.

[FriarJ]

Another poster is correct. there are a lot of fans from other teams outside the BE doing a lot of the talking. I was not aware of this honestly. I do see some Creighton fans calling for it and it just makes me shake my head that they don't apparently see the value and brand that we currently have.