2019 BE Non-Conference Schedules...

[billyjack]

Creighton non-conference schedule
https://twitter.com/BluejayMBB/status/1 ... 3997550592

thanks mupanther,
ok, updated on page 1 to include jays schedule.

only need to do depaul, georgetown, marquette and xavier

[scoscox]

https://goxavier.com/news/2018/5/17/xav ... edule.aspx

[GoldenWarrior11]

Marquette Non-Conference Schedule

Nov. 6 vs. UMBC
Nov. 10 vs. Bethune-Cookman (NIT Tip-Off campus game)
Nov. 14 at Indiana (Gavitt Games)
Nov. 17 vs. Presbyterian
Nov. 21 vs. Kansas (NIT Tip-Off at Barclays Center)
Nov. 23 vs. Tennessee/Louisville (NIT Tip-Off at Barclays Center)
Nov. 27 vs. Charleston Southern
Dec. 1 vs. Kansas State
Dec. 4 vs. UTEP
Dec. 8 vs. Wisconsin
Dec. 18 vs. North Dakota
Dec. 21 vs. Buffalo
Dec. 28 vs. Southern

[billyjack]

Thanks GW11 and Scosox. I've made the adjustments to MU and XU.

Only DePaul and Georgetown remain.

[NJRedman]

No. Our non-conference is awful. It's not one of the worst in history like Georgetown's last year, but it will be one of the worst for any team this year. Probably the worst for any major conference team. Don't see any reason to defend this atrocious schedule.

Oh c'mon now with this hyperbole.

Hyperbole huh? Are you aware that currently we are only projected to play ONE top 100 team from last year? Maybe 2 if we play Temple rather than VCU? 4 teams higher than 300?

Last year we played 5 teams in the top 100. Only 1 higher than 300.

https://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2018/ ... orgia-tech

This is CURRENTLY projected to be one of the worst for any major conference team. Could we get very lucky and teams like Rutgers, VCU/Temple, Cal, and Georgia Tech perform significantly better than last year? Sure. I'm just realistic and see this for what it is.

And how were they projecting that ASU game to look last year? I don't care how it looks currently because that don't mean squat, lets see how it looks when the games are actually played. Temple is projected to be a top AAC team, Princeton should be a favorite in the Ivy and Duke is Duke.

Yes, it is hyperbole.

[adoraz]

And how were they projecting that ASU game to look last year? I don't care how it looks currently because that don't mean squat, lets see how it looks when the games are actually played. Temple is projected to be a top AAC team, Princeton should be a favorite in the Ivy and Duke is Duke.

Yes, it is hyperbole.

...Come on man.

Really, come on. I've only seen one other person who is actually defending this. Everyone else, including neutral Twitter posters like Jon Rothstein, think it's awful.

You could just admit you're wrong about this, but if you're really this delusional and not just trolling, then I'll answer.

For starters, if you haven't already, read my post directly after the one you quoted where I computed the average opponent RPI based on last year. Since our average opponent RPI was about 211, I expect OUR SOS OOC to be at least 300+. That is atrocious. It makes it so we really need to run the table to come out with a decent RPI.

Yes, obviously some teams will do better than last year. Some will also do worse. Basic math and logic says that the big majority of teams won't significantly outperform last year's ranking. Could we end up with 2 or 3 top 100 teams? Sure, it's possible. That's still not good. We could also end up with 1, which would be horrible. We will also likely end up with 4/5 300+ caliber opponents. The current projections are super ugly. If you want to provide a breakdown of why the 13 teams are likely to outperform last year, then I'd love to see that. Otherwise, you have no argument.

We all knew going into last year we would have a great schedule. Nobody doubted that. So, that is a ridiculous comparison picking one out of 13 teams we played who seemingly over performed (ASU) and acting like they were the reason we had an excellent schedule. ASU, BTW, was ranked 66 last year. Not terribly surprising. 1/13 teams slightly over performing didn't provide a crazy unforeseen boost to our schedule.

Is it really that difficult to say the schedule is trash? I'm optimistic about next year. Really optimistic. Nearly all my posts since February 5 (end of the 11 game losing streak) have been positive. That doesn't mean I'm ignorant to obvious issues, though. Based on your history of never having a single bad thing to say about the program, I have a hard time taking you seriously.

[MullinMayhem]

NJRedman is okay with having essentially G'Town's schedule in Ewing's first year...in a year when we have the potential to finish top 3 in conference and maybe even crack the top 25 if Heron can play. Do you understand RPI, SOS, and signature wins? Our schedule gives us 1 chance to prove anything. If we beat Rutgers and Georgia Tech by 20 each everyone will say "so what?". The only way we can impress is by beating Duke at Duke which is the type of scenario only an idiot would arrange. Look at the other Big East OOC schedules...they have 4 or 5 chances to truly prove themselves nationally with good but beatable teams like Texas and Maryland. Even if we lose at Duke but win every other game OOC heading into conference play, we will need to dominate our way to 11 or 12 wins to be safely in the tourney most likely. Setting yourself up so you have to dominate a very strong conference to get to the tourney is again idiotic. If we would've scheduled some Wisconsin's, Notre Dame's, and Kansas State's sprinkled in with Duke and the cupcakes, then it gives us more margin for error. We could lose at Duke but win 1 of Wisconsin/Notre Dame/Kansas State giving us 1 signature win before conference play even starts. Our SOS and RPI would still be higher with all those losses vs. winning against nobodies.

[NJRedman]

And how were they projecting that ASU game to look last year? I don't care how it looks currently because that don't mean squat, lets see how it looks when the games are actually played. Temple is projected to be a top AAC team, Princeton should be a favorite in the Ivy and Duke is Duke.

Yes, it is hyperbole.

...Come on man.

Really, come on. I've only seen one other person who is actually defending this. Everyone else, including neutral Twitter posters like Jon Rothstein, think it's awful.

You could just admit you're wrong about this, but if you're really this delusional and not just trolling, then I'll answer.

For starters, if you haven't already, read my post directly after the one you quoted where I computed the average opponent RPI based on last year. Since our average opponent RPI was about 211, I expect OUR SOS OOC to be at least 300+. That is atrocious. It makes it so we really need to run the table to come out with a decent RPI.

Yes, obviously some teams will do better than last year. Some will also do worse. Basic math and logic says that the big majority of teams won't significantly outperform last year's ranking. Could we end up with 2 or 3 top 100 teams? Sure, it's possible. That's still not good. We could also end up with 1, which would be horrible. We will also likely end up with 4/5 300+ caliber opponents. The current projections are super ugly. If you want to provide a breakdown of why the 13 teams are likely to outperform last year, then I'd love to see that. Otherwise, you have no argument.

We all knew going into last year we would have a great schedule. Nobody doubted that. So, that is a ridiculous comparison picking one out of 13 teams we played who seemingly over performed (ASU) and acting like they were the reason we had an excellent schedule. ASU, BTW, was ranked 66 last year. Not terribly surprising. 1/13 teams slightly over performing didn't provide a crazy unforeseen boost to our schedule.

Is it really that difficult to say the schedule is trash? I'm optimistic about next year. Really optimistic. Nearly all my posts since February 5 (end of the 11 game losing streak) have been positive. That doesn't mean I'm ignorant to obvious issues, though. Based on your history of never having a single bad thing to say about the program, I have a hard time taking you seriously.

No where did I defend it, I know it's a soft schedule but the idea that it's somehow the worst of any power program is a joke.

We've had at least the last 3 years of tough tough schedules. Who cares if it's soft? We have no premier pre-season tourny and we got matched up with Rutgers in the Gavitt Games. We get 2 ACC teams, a B1G team and a Pac team. The rest are almost all local schools. No issue with that most years. Yes, the P6 schools could be better and we should be in a pre-season tourny most year but it's not like we went out of our way to avoid playing teams. People need to agree to play you. Cuse should be on the schedule but they don't want any part of us any more.

And and the idea that going 12-1 would be a bad thing is stupid. It's always been about doing well in conference play, in a down year we need to play well. If we finish in the top half of the conference we are getting into the NCAA's 12-1 or 13-0.

[NJRedman]

NJRedman is okay with having essentially G'Town's schedule in Ewing's first year...in a year when we have the potential to finish top 3 in conference and maybe even crack the top 25 if Heron can play. Do you understand RPI, SOS, and signature wins? Our schedule gives us 1 chance to prove anything. If we beat Rutgers and Georgia Tech by 20 each everyone will say "so what?". The only way we can impress is by beating Duke at Duke which is the type of scenario only an idiot would arrange. Look at the other Big East OOC schedules...they have 4 or 5 chances to truly prove themselves nationally with good but beatable teams like Texas and Maryland. Even if we lose at Duke but win every other game OOC heading into conference play, we will need to dominate our way to 11 or 12 wins to be safely in the tourney most likely. Setting yourself up so you have to dominate a very strong conference to get to the tourney is again idiotic. If we would've scheduled some Wisconsin's, Notre Dame's, and Kansas State's sprinkled in with Duke and the cupcakes, then it gives us more margin for error. We could lose at Duke but win 1 of Wisconsin/Notre Dame/Kansas State giving us 1 signature win before conference play even starts. Our SOS and RPI would still be higher with all those losses vs. winning against nobodies.

Hahahahaha yup, this is just like GTowns schedule last year. You know you can say last year instead of Ewings first season right? Like it wasn't long ago at all, in fact it's his only season.

Look at this guy! hahahahaha if we just get Wisconsin and Notre Dame on the schedule! Yeah okay guy, they are just lining up to play us! hahahahaha

You've been wrong about pretty much everything so i'll doubt what you post.

[adoraz]

And how were they projecting that ASU game to look last year? I don't care how it looks currently because that don't mean squat, lets see how it looks when the games are actually played. Temple is projected to be a top AAC team, Princeton should be a favorite in the Ivy and Duke is Duke.

Yes, it is hyperbole.

...Come on man.

Really, come on. I've only seen one other person who is actually defending this. Everyone else, including neutral Twitter posters like Jon Rothstein, think it's awful.

You could just admit you're wrong about this, but if you're really this delusional and not just trolling, then I'll answer.

For starters, if you haven't already, read my post directly after the one you quoted where I computed the average opponent RPI based on last year. Since our average opponent RPI was about 211, I expect OUR SOS OOC to be at least 300+. That is atrocious. It makes it so we really need to run the table to come out with a decent RPI.

Yes, obviously some teams will do better than last year. Some will also do worse. Basic math and logic says that the big majority of teams won't significantly outperform last year's ranking. Could we end up with 2 or 3 top 100 teams? Sure, it's possible. That's still not good. We could also end up with 1, which would be horrible. We will also likely end up with 4/5 300+ caliber opponents. The current projections are super ugly. If you want to provide a breakdown of why the 13 teams are likely to outperform last year, then I'd love to see that. Otherwise, you have no argument.

We all knew going into last year we would have a great schedule. Nobody doubted that. So, that is a ridiculous comparison picking one out of 13 teams we played who seemingly over performed (ASU) and acting like they were the reason we had an excellent schedule. ASU, BTW, was ranked 66 last year. Not terribly surprising. 1/13 teams slightly over performing didn't provide a crazy unforeseen boost to our schedule.

Is it really that difficult to say the schedule is trash? I'm optimistic about next year. Really optimistic. Nearly all my posts since February 5 (end of the 11 game losing streak) have been positive. That doesn't mean I'm ignorant to obvious issues, though. Based on your history of never having a single bad thing to say about the program, I have a hard time taking you seriously.

No where did I defend it, I know it's a soft schedule but the idea that it's somehow the worst of any power program is a joke.

We've had at least the last 3 years of tough tough schedules. Who cares if it's soft? We have no premier pre-season tourny and we got matched up with Rutgers in the Gavitt Games. We get 2 ACC teams, a B1G team and a Pac team. The rest are almost all local schools. No issue with that most years. Yes, the P6 schools could be better and we should be in a pre-season tourny most year but it's not like we went out of our way to avoid playing teams. People need to agree to play you. Cuse should be on the schedule but they don't want any part of us any more.

And and the idea that going 12-1 would be a bad thing is stupid. It's always been about doing well in conference play, in a down year we need to play well. If we finish in the top half of the conference we are getting into the NCAA's 12-1 or 13-0.

the idea that it's somehow the worst of any power program is a joke.

It's not a joke unfortunately. I wish it was, but I'm pretty confident it'll be at best top 3 worst power OOC in the nation. We already have by far the worst in the Big East (although Georgetown's isn't out yet).

I've already compared it with Georgetown's from last year. Literally the worst for any P6 team in decades. Ours is better, but not by much.

Here's another gem: Kansas St had by far the worst OOC of any Tournament team last year.
OOC Record: 11-2
OOC RPI: 137
OOC SOS: 327
OOC Average Opponent RPI: 201

The average OOC opponent for SJU next year would be 211 (based on this year). Meaning our OOC SOS will likely be WORSE than 327. Going 11-2 could mean an OOC RPI around 150. FFS.

So, yes. The schedule is horrible.

Given that we disagree on the main point and the rest of your post is expanding on that (false) premise, there's no need in debating over the rest.