Bracketology

[stever20]

Lunardi seed list before Saturday's games....
2 Nova
8 Xavier(so back to the 2 line!)
25 PC
41 SH(3rd team in with a bye)
47 Butler(2nd to last team in)

Creighton was 7th team out. Georgetown in a group of 8 that were considered beyond the first 8 out.

Sounds like Butler will be out on Monday though- he had them in a group out without a win. Probably will be replaced by Wisconsin.

[SJUBBALL]

Huge bubble game this week when Creighton goes to play Butler

[Jet915]

Lunardi has Gonzaga and Saint Mary's in. Not sure how that is, Gonzaga has played poorly in the noncon and Saint Mary's has played only one top 50 rpi team and lost. The WCC stinks this year, the whole conference has 2 top 50 rpi wins (Gonzaga and USD).

[stever20]

Lunardi has Gonzaga and Saint Mary's in. Not sure how that is, Gonzaga has played poorly in the noncon and Saint Mary's has played only one top 50 rpi team and lost. The WCC stinks this year, the whole conference has 2 top 50 rpi wins (Gonzaga and USD).

Well, KP helps Gonzaga out some- they're #30. Gonzaga did have a tough OOC SOS- #31 right now. Sorry but going 7-4 vs 31 SOS is NOT playing poorly in the non con. It's going out and playing a tough schedule.

I think if Gonzaga wins the conference, St Mary's is out. But if St Mary's wins the conference, I think Gonzaga will get in.

[stever20]

well- ESPN's bracketology is out....

Nova 1 East(AS THE #1 Seed overall)
PC 7 East
Xavier 2 South
Seton Hall 11 MW

Butler 3rd team out

CBS:
Xavier 2 MW
Providence 8 MW
Nova 1 E
Butler 10 E

Seton Hall 2nd team out

[Xavier4036]

Well, KP helps Gonzaga out some- they're #30. Gonzaga did have a tough OOC SOS- #31 right now. Sorry but going 7-4 vs 31 SOS is NOT playing poorly in the non con. It's going out and playing a tough schedule.

I think if Gonzaga wins the conference, St Mary's is out. But if St Mary's wins the conference, I think Gonzaga will get in.

Gonzaga has 0 Top 25 wins, 1 Top 50 win and 2 total Top 100 wins with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 109. That isn't getting an at-large bid.

Compare that to Creighton (who you insist isn't even on the bubble).... 1 Top 25 win, 2 Top 50 wins, and 4 Top 100 wins with an RPI of 80 and SOS of 108 and one 200+ loss.

[stever20]

Well, KP helps Gonzaga out some- they're #30. Gonzaga did have a tough OOC SOS- #31 right now. Sorry but going 7-4 vs 31 SOS is NOT playing poorly in the non con. It's going out and playing a tough schedule.

I think if Gonzaga wins the conference, St Mary's is out. But if St Mary's wins the conference, I think Gonzaga will get in.

Gonzaga has 0 Top 25 wins, 1 Top 50 win and 2 total Top 100 wins with an RPI of 56 and SOS of 109. That isn't getting an at-large bid.

Compare that to Creighton (who you insist isn't even on the bubble).... 1 Top 25 win, 2 Top 50 wins, and 4 Top 100 wins with an RPI of 80 and SOS of 108 and one 200+ loss.

It's an interesting battle....
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... ZAG/CREIGH

The overall SOS is pretty close between the 2- 20 spots.
The big difference is the winning percentage due to the home/away/neutral breakdown- Gonzaga is 9-3 on the road/neutral while Creighton is only 6-5.
Gonzaga is 18.2-6.4 .740 winning pct.
Creighton is 14.2-8.6 .622 winning pct.

That's a pretty big difference. Also big is in Ken Pom, Gonzaga is 12 spots higher than Creighton (30 to 42).

[stever20]

USA Today with worst one we've seen so far:
BE:
Nova 1 E
PC 7 E
Xavier 2 S

SH 1st team out

Butler, Creighton considered but not in 1st 4 out.

[Xavier4036]

It's an interesting battle....
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... ZAG/CREIGH

The overall SOS is pretty close between the 2- 20 spots.
The big difference is the winning percentage due to the home/away/neutral breakdown- Gonzaga is 9-3 on the road/neutral while Creighton is only 6-5.
Gonzaga is 18.2-6.4 .740 winning pct.
Creighton is 14.2-8.6 .622 winning pct.

That's a pretty big difference. Also big is in Ken Pom, Gonzaga is 12 spots higher than Creighton (30 to 42).

Stever, I don't know what you are talking about.

Bottom line is noone with 2 Top 100 wins all year, and only one of them being a Top 50, is going to get an at-large.

You've got a team with 1 Top 25 win, 2 Top 50 and 4 Top 100 with one 200+ loss with the 108 SOS.... against a team that has 0 Top 25, 1 Top 50 and 2 Top 100 wins with the 109 SOS

And Stever thinks the latter team is going to get an at-large and the other isn't even on the bubble

This is also the same guy who argues for the AAC "closing the gap" with the BE and having a "strong year" when the Big East is #4 in the RPI and the AAC is #8 .... and in terms of raw RPI numbers, which Stever uses, the AAAAC is MUCH closer to the Summit, Mid-American, Mountain West, A-10 and Colonial conferences than the Big East..... but keep on keeping on in your alternate universe/reality, Stever!

[ArmyVet]

It's an interesting battle....
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... ZAG/CREIGH

The overall SOS is pretty close between the 2- 20 spots.
The big difference is the winning percentage due to the home/away/neutral breakdown- Gonzaga is 9-3 on the road/neutral while Creighton is only 6-5.
Gonzaga is 18.2-6.4 .740 winning pct.
Creighton is 14.2-8.6 .622 winning pct.

That's a pretty big difference. Also big is in Ken Pom, Gonzaga is 12 spots higher than Creighton (30 to 42).

There's not a lot of meat on Gonzaga'a bone if you asked me. Wouldn't everyone expect Gonzaga would have a better road/neutral record based on conference affiliation alone?