(3) Wed Big East Games--2/15/17

[JohnW22]

I'd expect Xavier to play Tim Stainbrook some this game. Mack obviously doesn't want to go 2 big and I don't see Q, JP, Bernard, and Gates all going 40 minutes. Will be interesting to see how the rotation goes.

[Hall2012]

I have a bad feeling about this one.

Hope your feeling is right!

Look at it this way, a bad feeling for the Jays tonight is a good feeling for the league

you see, I do not get this logic at all. I feel like it's better for the league for Creighton to get up to a 3-4 seed and Seton Hall not to make it than for Seton Hall to get in the FF, while Creighton gets a 6 or 7 seed. What is important isn't teams making the tourney, but teams doing damage in the tourney.

Simple really. Getting another team into the NCAA tournament is another tournament unit for the conference - done and dusted. Even if it's a first four game. Bumping Creighton up a seed line improves their odds of winning a round by, let's assume 10% - so we can consider the value of that 10% of a tournament unit. So getting the extra team in is more valuable, and that's before considering the odds of the extra team winning a game, which isn't too bad if it's a first four game.

The logic I don't see is how the result of 1 game at Seton Hall will make a difference of 4 seed lines for Creighton. In reality, this game alone means very little to Creighton's NCAA tournament standing but could be a major swing game in terms of Seton Hall's season.

[stever20]

just looking at RPI Wizard, their RPI goes from 17 to 22 just from this 1 game. Being a road game it means a lot more than you would think.... So 17 could easily be a 4 seed, while 22 could easily get down to a 6 or even 7 seed.

Now, looking at the just 1st round records-
4 seeds- 102-26 in 1st round .797
6 seeds- 82-46 in 1st round .641

but then look at 2nd round
4 seeds- advanced to sweet 16 59 times
6 seeds- advanced to sweet 16 42 times

and RSF
4 seeds- advanced to elite 8 20 times
6 seeds- advanced to elite 8 14 times

and RF
4 seeds- advanced to final 4 13 times
6 seeds- advanced to final 4 3 times

so 4 seeds 322 units
6 seeds 269 units

a pretty big difference there.

1 seeds 508 units
2 seeds 417 units
3 seeds 345 units
4 seeds 322 units
5 seeds 267 units
6 seeds 269 units
7 seeds 240 units
8 seeds 217 units
9 seeds 200 units
10 seeds 210 units
11 seeds 202 units
12 seeds 195 units
13 seeds 160 units
14 seeds 151 units
15 seeds 137 units
16 seeds 128 units

so really there is a huge difference between being a 4 seed and a 5 or 6 seed.

And the thing really is, prestige wise, having an extra sweet 16 team would mean FAR more than just a team in the FF that a lot of folks don't even watch.

[sciencejay]

Sorry, but I don't care about SH's tourney chances. I want the Jays to completely control their new "this is who we are" before the BE and NCAA tourneys begin. Losing at the Hall won't help that.

I would be thrilled for SH to get into the dance, but not at CU's expense.

[Hall2012]

Sorry, but I don't care about SH's tourney chances. I want the Jays to completely control their new "this is who we are" before the BE and NCAA tourneys begin. Losing at the Hall won't help that.

I would be thrilled for SH to get into the dance, but not at CU's expense.

No need to apologize, you're a fan of your team first and that's how it should be. I have the same feelings, just flipped around. I don't care about the Jays tourney seed. Sure it would be nice to see them still get a high seed, but not at the Hall's expense. Heck, I'd happily see the Jays fall out of the tournament picture completely if it meant putting Seton Hall in.

When SHU isn't involved, I'll happily root for what's best for the league. But if it does affect the Pirates- everyone else be damned.

[ecasadoSBU]

PROVIDENCIA!!!!!!!!!

Lets gooo

[JohnW22]

Welp Bluiett better get back fast cuz if Xavier's losing this bad to Providence, Seton Hall and Marquette might beat X by 40.

[EMT]

Welp Bluiett better get back fast cuz if Xavier's losing this bad to Providence, Seton Hall and Marquette might beat X by 40.

Because PC hasn't beaten either of those schools.....

[JohnW22]

Welp Bluiett better get back fast cuz if Xavier's losing this bad to Providence, Seton Hall and Marquette might beat X by 40.

Because PC hasn't beaten either of those schools.....

And DePual beat Providence so should Xavier be more worried about DePual?

[FloridaFriar]

What a jack ass statement....