Top 50 Big East Players: #30-21

[TAMU Eagle]

I think Pryor and Govan are too low. Pryor is going to be at least second team all big east.

Govan is an NBA first round talent.

I think Williams and Gaston are too high.

Pryor being second team all big east would shock me. That would put him in the top 10 players in the conference. I think he'll be good but the best player from the NEC usually would be a pretty average starter in the Big East. And he wasn't the best player in the NEC last year, Cane Broome was.

With all due respect to Govan, I can't find a single mock draft that currently has him in the first round. In fact, I couldn't find any that had him being drafted. With his size and shooting ability, I think he could work his way there, but he's done nothing to earn that yet. I agree that Govan has more NBA potential than people ahead of him on the list, but that's because of his size.

[TAMU Eagle]

Gaston is a very solid big man I think he can live up to this ranking. Darien Williams should not be on this list, I don't see him getting much playing time and I'm not entirely sure that he is 100 percent healthy heading into the season.

Gaston is a very solid big man I think he can live up to this ranking. Darien Williams should not be on this list, I don't see him getting much playing time and I'm not entirely sure that he is 100 percent healthy heading into the season.

Full practice for him, probably the 9th or 10th man

So the 9th or 10th man on St. John's, who are likely to finish no higher than 7th is the 22nd best player in the BE??? Ahead of Jalen Brunson, Jessie Govan, Mikal Bridges, Issac Copeland, and JP Macura(hate that &@#%)? Alrighty then, appreciate all the work put into this list, that said, it's extremely unimpressive.

As it said in the article, this was based on the assumption that Darien Williams comes back 100% healthy (which he has never been at SJU) and starts playing like he did at the JUCO level. We spoke to a friend who follows the St John's program who was very insistent that Williams would be one of their two best players if he could overcome his injuries. This was definitely our boldest prediction and it may be completely wrong but that's part of the fun of the preseason. Seeing people make bold choices and then laughing at them when they get it wrong

[JohnW22]

As it said in the article, this was based on the assumption that Darien Williams comes back 100% healthy (which he has never been at SJU) and starts playing like he did at the JUCO level. We spoke to a friend who follows the St John's program who was very insistent that Williams would be one of their two best players if he could overcome his injuries. This was definitely our boldest prediction and it may be completely wrong but that's part of the fun of the preseason. Seeing people make bold choices and then laughing at them when they get it wrong

I hear that the Big East is above the level of players in JUCO. If Williams is a top 30 player in the Big East by the end of the season I'll come back to this thread and admit you were right... until then I'm going to have my doubts. I think you're overestimating how good JUCO and mid major conference transfers will do against Big East talent.

[BigmanU]

Scrap this list and throw it in the trash. It's a joke.

Care to elaborate?

Or are you just offended by where he ranked some Georgetown players?

All are disrespected in the rating

44. Billy Garrett Jr. of DePaul
46. Marcus LoVett Jr. of St. John’s
37. Eric Paschall of Villanova
33. Haanif Cheatham of Marquette
31. Jalen Brunson of Villanova

For the record , I think some of the Georgetown players are rated to high

what has Govan (30) done to justify the rating?
why is Mulmore (28) so high?

[GumbyDamnit!]

I hear that the Big East is above the level of players in JUCO. If Williams is a top 30 player in the Big East by the end of the season I'll come back to this thread and admit you were right... until then I'm going to have my doubts. I think you're overestimating how good JUCO and mid major conference transfers will do against Big East talent.

Nail head meet hammer. 100% on point.

Jonathan Mulmore and Darien Williams? Allegheny College of MD & Iowa Western Community College. Take the last guy on any of the BE team benches and I'd feel confident that they would be studs on the JUCO circuit. Anyone have any idea where these guys were ranked as recruits out of H.S.? Just curious...

Again, I said that if there were 30 ranked players better than Jalen Brunson, I'd eat my shoe. Jonathan Mulmore and Darien Wms. are ranked considerably higher than Jalen Brunson, reigning National Champion and USA Basketball POY (yes, that is not a typo), who was the top PG nationally in his recruiting class. Garrett Jr was even 20 spots lower than these guys. Did I get that right?

C'mon. Bad, bad, bad IMO. Maybe you guys are doing this on purpose to manufacture opinions and interest... That's the only plausible explanation.

[hoyahooligan]

I think Pryor and Govan are too low. Pryor is going to be at least second team all big east.

Govan is an NBA first round talent.

I think Williams and Gaston are too high.

Pryor being second team all big east would shock me. That would put him in the top 10 players in the conference. I think he'll be good but the best player from the NEC usually would be a pretty average starter in the Big East. And he wasn't the best player in the NEC last year, Cane Broome was.

With all due respect to Govan, I can't find a single mock draft that currently has him in the first round. In fact, I couldn't find any that had him being drafted. With his size and shooting ability, I think he could work his way there, but he's done nothing to earn that yet. I agree that Govan has more NBA potential than people ahead of him on the list, but that's because of his size.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Last pick in the first round is still first round.

Pryor will be the leader of the team, and since I expect the Hoyas to be top 4 in the conference I expect him and peak to be on the top 2 teams.

[TAMU Eagle]

I hear that the Big East is above the level of players in JUCO. If Williams is a top 30 player in the Big East by the end of the season I'll come back to this thread and admit you were right... until then I'm going to have my doubts. I think you're overestimating how good JUCO and mid major conference transfers will do against Big East talent.

Nail head meet hammer. 100% on point.

Jonathan Mulmore and Darien Williams? Allegheny College of MD & Iowa Western Community College. Take the last guy on any of the BE team benches and I'd feel confident that they would be studs on the JUCO circuit. Anyone have any idea where these guys were ranked as recruits out of H.S.? Just curious...

Again, I said that if there were 30 ranked players better than Jalen Brunson, I'd eat my shoe. Jonathan Mulmore and Darien Wms. are ranked considerably higher than Jalen Brunson, reigning National Champion and USA Basketball POY (yes, that is not a typo), who was the top PG nationally in his recruiting class. Garrett Jr was even 20 spots lower than these guys. Did I get that right?

C'mon. Bad, bad, bad IMO. Maybe you guys are doing this on purpose to manufacture opinions and interest... That's the only plausible explanation.

Absolutely agree that the Big East is a much higher level than JUCO. That being said, I don't think it's right to outright dismiss players from the JUCO ranks. We have had a JUCO player win Big East Player of the Year within the last 5 seasons. Jimmy Butler, arguably the most successful recent Big East alum in the NBA, came from the JUCO ranks. Neither was ranked anywhere near the top 100 coming out of high school. They produced at the JUCO levels and were then able to translate that to the Big East. There have been others that didn't. Williams and Mulmore are not random JUCOs. Willaims was ranked as the fourth best JUCO in the nation. Mulmore missed being the top scorer in NJCAA by 0.1 points a game. Will they translate it into Big East play? We think Mulmore will. I think injuries will hold Williams back, but he was placed with assumption that he comes back injury free. Zierden and Huff for Creighton were given the same treatment. Williams and Mulmore were two of the bolder picks we made in the list. Absolutely will own them if they end up being duds. I am no stranger to having egg on my face.

But honestly, I appreciate the discussion. Let keep it going

[BEhomer]

I thought the premise of this ranking was that each player in the ranking would be considered starting 5 on their respective teams. I don't see Darien Williams starting over Yakwe and Sima. I'm going to guess that Owens will see more time than Darien.

and is Gaston an automatic nod over Omara?

Mulmore and Pryor in the backcourt but then where does Peak and Campbell belong? With Brad Hayes back is Govan a guarantee to start?

[BigmanU]

I thought the premise of this ranking was that each player in the ranking would be considered starting 5 on their respective teams. I don't see Darien Williams starting over Yakwe and Sima. I'm going to guess that Owens will see more time than Darien.

and is Gaston an automatic nod over Omara?

Mulmore and Pryor in the backcourt but then where does Peak and Campbell belong? With Brad Hayes back is Govan a guarantee to start?

I can only speak for the Hoyas

I'm pretty sure this is Georgetown's starting five in this analysis in bold. The lineup is pretty spot on with the exception of the 4 & 5 spots which are up in the air. Campbell at this point is just part of the backcourt mix off the bench, hence the acquisition of both Mulmore & Pryor as upgrades. Govan definitely is not guaranteed to start (except 1st 4 games) over Hayes. At this point I would assume they share the load at the 5 spot unless 1 of the 2 breaks out, especially with this new talked about faster pace. The rankings for all the BEast players (I broke it down earlier) leave a lot to be desired however. Georgetown's Mulmore & Govan are getting more respect than they should at this point. Production over potential.

Mulmore-PG
Pryor-Wing
Peak-Wing
Copeland/Derrickson-4
Govan/Hayes-5

[JohnW22]

I thought the premise of this ranking was that each player in the ranking would be considered starting 5 on their respective teams. I don't see Darien Williams starting over Yakwe and Sima. I'm going to guess that Owens will see more time than Darien.

and is Gaston an automatic nod over Omara?

Mulmore and Pryor in the backcourt but then where does Peak and Campbell belong? With Brad Hayes back is Govan a guarantee to start?

Gaston is going to start from day 1 and I'd say that's at 95% certainty.