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Postby xusandy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:36 pm

Bottom Line for me: EVERY head coaching job in the Big E could be a destination job for the right candidate!
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Postby SJUBBALL » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:22 pm

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FriarJ wrote:Completely ignored in this ranking is something that every single coach points to as being one of the most important aspects of how good a job is. It's the administration at the school. How much support are they giving the program. I can only speak for PC but this current administration is making it happen. Cooley mentions it constantly. Father Shanley happens to be a PC alum and was there at the founding of the original BE, and was a leader in the effort this time as well. He gets it and his support is why we are getting ready to break ground on a $50 mil on campus men's facility.

If this factor was taken into account it's a reason why St. Johns and Depaul are not currently the best jobs



I'd do some research before acting like St. John's administration isn't supporting the basketball program.


That's fair, but it completely supports my point. Your new President is substantially better at it than Father Harrington correct? St. Johns aside do you agree with my point? Honestly I had forgotten Harrington resigned.


IMO your point works for St. John's and DePaul, five years ago. Now, St. John's has a president heavily supporting the program, and DePaul is building a beautiful arena for the program.
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Postby FriarJ » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:05 pm

St. John's has it together. DePaul is not building anything. The mayor and the city are.
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Postby Demon22 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:50 am

FriarJ wrote:St. John's has it together. DePaul is not building anything. The mayor and the city are.

DePaul is paying half the costs of the construction of the arena... around $80 million.

I'm not sure how that counts as not building anything.
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Postby FriarJ » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:23 am

Demon22 wrote:
FriarJ wrote:St. John's has it together. DePaul is not building anything. The mayor and the city are.

DePaul is paying half the costs of the construction of the arena... around $80 million.

I'm not sure how that counts as not building anything.


I would definitely say that is building something I had no idea it was that much money. That's a serious commitment. I assume they will pay no rent and get some of the parking and concession revenue with that kind of commitment.
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Postby Demon22 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:37 am

FriarJ wrote:
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FriarJ wrote:St. John's has it together. DePaul is not building anything. The mayor and the city are.

DePaul is paying half the costs of the construction of the arena... around $80 million.

I'm not sure how that counts as not building anything.


I would definitely say that is building something I had no idea it was that much money. That's a serious commitment. I assume they will pay no rent and get some of the parking and concession revenue with that kind of commitment.

No, they're paying rent to the city for both the men's and women's basketball games.

And as far as I know, they won't receive any parking revenue.
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Postby bluejayfan00 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:49 am

I'd say Georgetown is #1. Their tradition and location is great. Not sure why JT3 has struggled so much the last few years.

As a Creighton fan, I'm not sure where to rank them as a coaching destination. They obviously don't have the blueblood tradition of a GT or Nova, and Nebraska by far has the worst local talent of any of the BE states/areas. However, we arguably have the best facilities in the league with the Century Link Center and the Championship center, we have 3 solid guys in the NBA right now, and a history of good tradition. Before the BE, we were the name of the Valley for years. Altman made CU a mid-major powerhouse (other than NCAA tourney success :lol: )

I think out of the 3 "new" Big East schools, (CU, X, Butler), Creighton may have the most potential. If we keep recruiting at the level we have in the 17 class, and that can translate into some NCAA tourney runs (at least a S16), I think CU can be a perennial top 30 program. But, those are all big if's.
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Postby bluejayfan00 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:50 am

xusandy wrote:Bottom Line for me: EVERY head coaching job in the Big E could be a destination job for the right candidate!

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Postby gtmoBlue » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:46 pm

I took the liberty of correcting your post bjf00, hope u don't mind.

bluejayfan00 wrote:I'd say Georgetown is #1. Their tradition and location is great.

As a Creighton fan, I'd rank the Jays last in the BE as a coaching destination. They obviously don't have the blueblood tradition of a GT or Nova, and the state of Nebraska has by far the worst local talent of any of the BE states. However, we arguably have among the best facilities in the league with the Century Link Center and the Championship center. CU has 3 solid guys in the NBA right now. The Jays have an excellent basketball history, tradition, and legacy. Prior to joining the BE, Creighton was the name of the Valley, and Dana Altman made CU a mid-major powerhouse.

IMHO, out of the 3 "new" Big East schools, (CU, X, Butler), Creighton may have the most potential. The BE has boosted our recruiting to the proper 4 star levels we have in the 17 class. Recruiting, program investment, and good coaching will translate into great NCAA tourney runs (2016/17 - 2020/21). Creighton will be a perennial top 25 program for the conference.
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Re: Ranking the Big East coaching jobs....

Postby scoscox » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:18 am

bluejayfan00 wrote:I'd say Georgetown is #1. Their tradition and location is great. Not sure why JT3 has struggled so much the last few years.

As a Creighton fan, I'm not sure where to rank them as a coaching destination. They obviously don't have the blueblood tradition of a GT or Nova, and Nebraska by far has the worst local talent of any of the BE states/areas. However, we arguably have the best facilities in the league with the Century Link Center and the Championship center, we have 3 solid guys in the NBA right now, and a history of good tradition. Before the BE, we were the name of the Valley for years. Altman made CU a mid-major powerhouse (other than NCAA tourney success :lol: )

I think out of the 3 "new" Big East schools, (CU, X, Butler), Creighton may have the most potential. If we keep recruiting at the level we have in the 17 class, and that can translate into some NCAA tourney runs (at least a S16), I think CU can be a perennial top 30 program. But, those are all big if's.


Creighton has great potential and I would certainly like to see them as a top 30 program annually, but have you been following these programs? Xavier and Butler have been outperforming Creighton despite this supposed gap in potential in every aspect of success for several years. Both dominated their mid-major conferences as well, have produced NBA talent, have better traditions, and are in better areas of the country for basketball. I'll give you neither have the facilities of Creighton or the attendance, but Xavier's amenities are very good. We're one of the most valuable programs in the country with an on-campus arena. The things you're hoping for are things Xavier and Butler are already doing. We just gave the Big East a top 5 team last year. I could go on, but the moral is that you're vastly underselling both X and Butler.

As for my two cents I think most if not all of the programs in the Big East are very good coaching positions and I think it's very much splitting hairs for everyone that is not Georgetown.
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