Way too Early 2016-17 Speculations?

[the1ndonly]

My predictions will change about 20 times by the start of next season but here it goes. I think 1-3 will be well ahead of the rest of the pack. 4-8 will be very close and could have similar records. Then I see a small drop off to the 9 spot then a major drop off to 10.

1. Creighton- Marcus Foster + Mo Watson will be something to see add Patton for a third option and that can be scary for other teams in the Big East. Huff and Harrel will have another year of experience and will be good pieces on the wing.

2. Nova- Losing Arch and Ochefu will hurt but a Bridges Brunson backcourt with Spellman, Jenkins, Heart, Paschall in that rotation will be top 10. Jay Wright is a hell of a coach and with that talent it was hard not putting them 1 but I have them a very close second.

3. Xavier- Remy, Farr, and Reynolds(From everything I hear from Rick Broering and Brian Snow from Scout there is nobody in the program who thinks Reynolds will be back next year. He had to sit out 2 years and is getting old for college) will be gone. Guard play and wing play will be solid with Sumner, Bluiett, Myles, and Macura. But who's going to play down low? They have Senior transfer Rashid Gaston from Northfolk State but from the practices I've been to he just didn't look that good. Mabey Gates as the 4 but I don't know if he's ready to start.

4. Marquette- I'd be shocked if Ellison stays so I have him as gone. Marquette will have a solid lineup built with Carter, Wilson, Cheatum, and Fisher. Behind those 4 could be questions. I can see Fisher being one of the best bigs in the league and Marquettes young players has got some great experience this year.

5. St. John's- Might be crazy here but Ponds will allow Mussini to play off the ball and be more of the pure shooter he is. Sims and Yawke is a very athletic front court who were only freshman this year, could be pretty good next year. Add Freudenberg to the mix and St. John's might have a pretty good team.

6. Georgetown- They got talent but I just don't think JT3 can put it together. The other problem is they don't have a true point guard that will be impactful. If Copeland can finally reach his potential this team could be good with him, Peak, Govan, and Derrickson.

7. Providence- A lot rides on what Lomumba and Cartwright brings to the table. If Bentil returns I think him at the 5 would be good with Lindsey at the 4 who would stretch the floor for him. Bullock will be solid at the wing but I think the major question is what can Lomumba and Cartwright do?

8. Seton Hall- I feel Whitehead will be gone. That leaves them with Delgado and Desi. Carter and Signh could be good additions. I think will be a good team but without Whitehead they could lack a real go to guy.

9. Butler- A team that struggled in conference play this year and will be losing two of their 3 best players on the team. Martin is great possible first team Big East. Wideman, Lewis, and Chrabascz will be good around him but nothing great. Fowler, Bunk, and Davis need to be able to give good minutes off the bench but who will be the backup guards?

10. DePaul- Losing Henry hurts a lot on a team that can't afford to lose much. Hamilton and Garret are good players but nothing around it. Can't see them better than any other team in the conference. I try not to pick on Depual just hammy honest opinion though.

Seton Hall at 8 is laughable, even if Whitehead were to leave (I think he will stay if he is outside the lotto). Singh and Carter are already Freshmen on the the team. Myles Powell is our best recruit, and he looks to be pretty good. A lineup of Carrington, Powell / Singh, Rodriguez, Sanogo and Delgado would not be behind a rebuilding Providence or a completely green St. John's. You're underselling Butler as well.

[milksteak]

I'll bite. This is entirely speculative. I think we'll have a better idea at the start of fall.

1. Xavier - They're gonna be better than they were this year.
2. Villanova - They always prove us wrong. And I'm probably gonna be an idiot for not picking them first.
3. Seton Hall - Sophomore class will improve even more, and they'll only get better collectively.
4. Creighton - The best guard duo in the league in Watson and Foster. I worry about their big men play, however. Not much there.
5. Providence - Dunn and Bentil score 50.6% of Providence's points. If both are gone, Providence is gonna go into a rebuild. Maybe Lindsey and Bullock can step up?
6. Butler - Needs Kelan to step into that "alpha dog" role. Probably starting five upperclassmen next year. Should be the deepest Butler team since joining the Big East. Rosey and Dunham are huge losses.
7. DePaul - Billy Garrett Jr. and Eli Cain will make a really good guard duo...but they're still DePaul. Good chance they get abused around the basket too.
8. Georgetown - DSR is gone. I thought Peak and Copeland would be All Big East players by now. Govan's got some potential. Feel like JT3 has completely lost his grip on the program.
9. SJU - They'll be better. They still have a long way to go.
10. Marquette - Ellenson isn't coming back. I haven't seen anything outside of him to think they'll be any good next year. I'd love to be wrong.

Xavier, Nova and Seton Hall will be awesome. Creighton should dance. Providence and Butler are huge question marks. DePaul and SJU will be better. Georgetown and Marquette will be worse or the same.

[milksteak]

My predictions will change about 20 times by the start of next season but here it goes. I think 1-3 will be well ahead of the rest of the pack. 4-8 will be very close and could have similar records. Then I see a small drop off to the 9 spot then a major drop off to 10.

1. Creighton- Marcus Foster + Mo Watson will be something to see add Patton for a third option and that can be scary for other teams in the Big East. Huff and Harrel will have another year of experience and will be good pieces on the wing.

2. Nova- Losing Arch and Ochefu will hurt but a Bridges Brunson backcourt with Spellman, Jenkins, Heart, Paschall in that rotation will be top 10. Jay Wright is a hell of a coach and with that talent it was hard not putting them 1 but I have them a very close second.

3. Xavier- Remy, Farr, and Reynolds(From everything I hear from Rick Broering and Brian Snow from Scout there is nobody in the program who thinks Reynolds will be back next year. He had to sit out 2 years and is getting old for college) will be gone. Guard play and wing play will be solid with Sumner, Bluiett, Myles, and Macura. But who's going to play down low? They have Senior transfer Rashid Gaston from Northfolk State but from the practices I've been to he just didn't look that good. Mabey Gates as the 4 but I don't know if he's ready to start.

4. Marquette- I'd be shocked if Ellison stays so I have him as gone. Marquette will have a solid lineup built with Carter, Wilson, Cheatum, and Fisher. Behind those 4 could be questions. I can see Fisher being one of the best bigs in the league and Marquettes young players has got some great experience this year.

5. St. John's- Might be crazy here but Ponds will allow Mussini to play off the ball and be more of the pure shooter he is. Sims and Yawke is a very athletic front court who were only freshman this year, could be pretty good next year. Add Freudenberg to the mix and St. John's might have a pretty good team.

6. Georgetown- They got talent but I just don't think JT3 can put it together. The other problem is they don't have a true point guard that will be impactful. If Copeland can finally reach his potential this team could be good with him, Peak, Govan, and Derrickson.

7. Providence- A lot rides on what Lomumba and Cartwright brings to the table. If Bentil returns I think him at the 5 would be good with Lindsey at the 4 who would stretch the floor for him. Bullock will be solid at the wing but I think the major question is what can Lomumba and Cartwright do?

8. Seton Hall- I feel Whitehead will be gone. That leaves them with Delgado and Desi. Carter and Signh could be good additions. I think will be a good team but without Whitehead they could lack a real go to guy.

9. Butler- A team that struggled in conference play this year and will be losing two of their 3 best players on the team. Martin is great possible first team Big East. Wideman, Lewis, and Chrabascz will be good around him but nothing great. Fowler, Bunk, and Davis need to be able to give good minutes off the bench but who will be the backup guards?

10. DePaul- Losing Henry hurts a lot on a team that can't afford to lose much. Hamilton and Garret are good players but nothing around it. Can't see them better than any other team in the conference. I try not to pick on Depual just hammy honest opinion though.

Seton Hall at 8 is laughable, even if Whitehead were to leave (I think he will stay if he is outside the lotto). Singh and Carter are already Freshmen on the the team. Myles Powell is our best recruit, and he looks to be pretty good. A lineup of Carrington, Powell / Singh, Rodriguez, Sanogo and Delgado would not be behind a rebuilding Providence or a completely green St. John's. You're underselling Butler as well.

Yeah, I'm not buying this either. I think Whitehead comes back. If he does, SHU is competing for the crown. Even if he doesn't, there is a TON of talent in their sophomore class, and they'll still dance.

[cu blujs]

For first time since joining the BE, Creighton will have sufficient talent, size and depth to have a realistic chance to win the conference.

Uhh, were you not around in 2014, when your team finished 2nd in conference and advanced to the BET championship game?

That team consisted of the best player in college basketball, with one of the best three point shooters in the nation, surrounded by role players, many of whom would not have seen the floor for most of the teams in the BE other than spot duty. Take DM off that team and it was a BET play-in team - as was painfully obvious when Baylor managed to neutralize DM in the tournament. That team also competed in a year when the BE was no where near as good as the top half of the BE has been the last two years and will continue to be going forward, IMO. Next year's team is built to compete in the BE - and consequently should be built to compete on the national stage in March.

[milksteak]

For first time since joining the BE, Creighton will have sufficient talent, size and depth to have a realistic chance to win the conference.

Uhh, were you not around in 2014, when your team finished 2nd in conference and advanced to the BET championship game?

That team consisted of the best player in college basketball, with one of the best three point shooters in the nation, surrounded by role players, many of whom would not have seen the floor for most of the teams in the BE other than spot duty. Take DM off that team and it was a BET play-in team - as was painfully obvious when Baylor managed to neutralize DM in the tournament. That team also competed in a year when the BE was no where near as good as the top half of the BE has been the last two years and will continue to be going forward, IMO. Next year's team is built to compete in the BE - and consequently should be built to compete on the national stage in March.

You don't give that team enough credit. They'll go down as a legendary Big East squad.

It might be a while before we see another performance like the famous January 20th, 2014, game.

[REDMEN1415]

My predictions will change about 20 times by the start of next season but here it goes. I think 1-3 will be well ahead of the rest of the pack. 4-8 will be very close and could have similar records. Then I see a small drop off to the 9 spot then a major drop off to 10.

1. Creighton- Marcus Foster + Mo Watson will be something to see add Patton for a third option and that can be scary for other teams in the Big East. Huff and Harrel will have another year of experience and will be good pieces on the wing.

2. Nova- Losing Arch and Ochefu will hurt but a Bridges Brunson backcourt with Spellman, Jenkins, Heart, Paschall in that rotation will be top 10. Jay Wright is a hell of a coach and with that talent it was hard not putting them 1 but I have them a very close second.

3. Xavier- Remy, Farr, and Reynolds(From everything I hear from Rick Broering and Brian Snow from Scout there is nobody in the program who thinks Reynolds will be back next year. He had to sit out 2 years and is getting old for college) will be gone. Guard play and wing play will be solid with Sumner, Bluiett, Myles, and Macura. But who's going to play down low? They have Senior transfer Rashid Gaston from Northfolk State but from the practices I've been to he just didn't look that good. Mabey Gates as the 4 but I don't know if he's ready to start.

4. Marquette- I'd be shocked if Ellison stays so I have him as gone. Marquette will have a solid lineup built with Carter, Wilson, Cheatum, and Fisher. Behind those 4 could be questions. I can see Fisher being one of the best bigs in the league and Marquettes young players has got some great experience this year.

5. St. John's- Might be crazy here but Ponds will allow Mussini to play off the ball and be more of the pure shooter he is. Sims and Yawke is a very athletic front court who were only freshman this year, could be pretty good next year. Add Freudenberg to the mix and St. John's might have a pretty good team.

6. Georgetown- They got talent but I just don't think JT3 can put it together. The other problem is they don't have a true point guard that will be impactful. If Copeland can finally reach his potential this team could be good with him, Peak, Govan, and Derrickson.

7. Providence- A lot rides on what Lomumba and Cartwright brings to the table. If Bentil returns I think him at the 5 would be good with Lindsey at the 4 who would stretch the floor for him. Bullock will be solid at the wing but I think the major question is what can Lomumba and Cartwright do?

8. Seton Hall- I feel Whitehead will be gone. That leaves them with Delgado and Desi. Carter and Signh could be good additions. I think will be a good team but without Whitehead they could lack a real go to guy.

9. Butler- A team that struggled in conference play this year and will be losing two of their 3 best players on the team. Martin is great possible first team Big East. Wideman, Lewis, and Chrabascz will be good around him but nothing great. Fowler, Bunk, and Davis need to be able to give good minutes off the bench but who will be the backup guards?

10. DePaul- Losing Henry hurts a lot on a team that can't afford to lose much. Hamilton and Garret are good players but nothing around it. Can't see them better than any other team in the conference. I try not to pick on Depual just hammy honest opinion though.

5. St. John's- Might be crazy here but Ponds will allow Mussini to play off the ball and be more of the pure shooter he is. Sims and Yawke is a very athletic front court who were only freshman this year, could be pretty good next year. Add Freudenberg to the mix and St. John's might have a pretty good team.

Ponds and Mussini won't start in November. Lovett (practiced at SJU all year.), will be the starting PG, and I'd give the SG spot to Ellison.
Sima, Yakwe, and Bashir will start in the front court.

[BoarCommaThe]

Uhh, were you not around in 2014, when your team finished 2nd in conference and advanced to the BET championship game?

That team consisted of the best player in college basketball, with one of the best three point shooters in the nation, surrounded by role players, many of whom would not have seen the floor for most of the teams in the BE other than spot duty. Take DM off that team and it was a BET play-in team - as was painfully obvious when Baylor managed to neutralize DM in the tournament. That team also competed in a year when the BE was no where near as good as the top half of the BE has been the last two years and will continue to be going forward, IMO. Next year's team is built to compete in the BE - and consequently should be built to compete on the national stage in March.

You don't give that team enough credit. They'll go down as a legendary Big East squad.

It might be a while before we see another performance like the famous January 20th, 2014, game.

Being a Jays fan, I couldn't agree more. It was a group that had tons of experience playing together and took on the best night in and night out.

[aughnanure]

I'll bite. This is entirely speculative. I think we'll have a better idea at the start of fall.

1. Xavier - They're gonna be better than they were this year.
2. Villanova - They always prove us wrong. And I'm probably gonna be an idiot for not picking them first.
3. Seton Hall - Sophomore class will improve even more, and they'll only get better collectively.
4. Creighton - The best guard duo in the league in Watson and Foster. I worry about their big men play, however. Not much there.
5. Providence - Dunn and Bentil score 50.6% of Providence's points. If both are gone, Providence is gonna go into a rebuild. Maybe Lindsey and Bullock can step up?
6. Butler - Needs Kelan to step into that "alpha dog" role. Probably starting five upperclassmen next year. Should be the deepest Butler team since joining the Big East. Rosey and Dunham are huge losses.
7. DePaul - Billy Garrett Jr. and Eli Cain will make a really good guard duo...but they're still DePaul. Good chance they get abused around the basket too.
8. Georgetown - DSR is gone. I thought Peak and Copeland would be All Big East players by now. Govan's got some potential. Feel like JT3 has completely lost his grip on the program.
9. SJU - They'll be better. They still have a long way to go.
10. Marquette - Ellenson isn't coming back. I haven't seen anything outside of him to think they'll be any good next year. I'd love to be wrong.

Xavier, Nova and Seton Hall will be awesome. Creighton should dance. Providence and Butler are huge question marks. DePaul and SJU will be better. Georgetown and Marquette will be worse or the same.

Yeah, nope. And you clearly haven't "seen" Marquette play if you really think we are just one player.

[MUBoxer]

I'll bite. This is entirely speculative. I think we'll have a better idea at the start of fall.

1. Xavier - They're gonna be better than they were this year.
2. Villanova - They always prove us wrong. And I'm probably gonna be an idiot for not picking them first.
3. Seton Hall - Sophomore class will improve even more, and they'll only get better collectively.
4. Creighton - The best guard duo in the league in Watson and Foster. I worry about their big men play, however. Not much there.
5. Providence - Dunn and Bentil score 50.6% of Providence's points. If both are gone, Providence is gonna go into a rebuild. Maybe Lindsey and Bullock can step up?
6. Butler - Needs Kelan to step into that "alpha dog" role. Probably starting five upperclassmen next year. Should be the deepest Butler team since joining the Big East. Rosey and Dunham are huge losses.
7. DePaul - Billy Garrett Jr. and Eli Cain will make a really good guard duo...but they're still DePaul. Good chance they get abused around the basket too.
8. Georgetown - DSR is gone. I thought Peak and Copeland would be All Big East players by now. Govan's got some potential. Feel like JT3 has completely lost his grip on the program.
9. SJU - They'll be better. They still have a long way to go.
10. Marquette - Ellenson isn't coming back. I haven't seen anything outside of him to think they'll be any good next year. I'd love to be wrong.

Xavier, Nova and Seton Hall will be awesome. Creighton should dance. Providence and Butler are huge question marks. DePaul and SJU will be better. Georgetown and Marquette will be worse or the same.

Yeah, nope. And you clearly haven't "seen" Marquette play if you really think we are just one player.

He's a butler fan so his two games with us were Henry scoring 32 and us being blown out. He wouldn't have seen games where Haanif, Fischer, JJJ or Duane all went off.

[JohnW22]

Seton Hall at 8 is laughable, even if Whitehead were to leave (I think he will stay if he is outside the lotto). Singh and Carter are already Freshmen on the the team. Myles Powell is our best recruit, and he looks to be pretty good. A lineup of Carrington, Powell / Singh, Rodriguez, Sanogo and Delgado would not be behind a rebuilding Providence or a completely green St. John's. You're underselling Butler as well.

I can see Seton Hall being much higher. I just know the least about them and I'm sure I underrated them.