It's Time To Pay Attention To College Basketball (ESPN)

[FriarJ]

Luckily for us it's called the NCAA tournament and not the KenPom or stever20 tournament. Curious what is PC's toughness metric on KenPom? Oh wait, he doesn't measure that? Whatever.

advanced metrics are starting to play more and more a role in the selection of the tournament along with the seeding of the tourney. Last year, that had a HUGE impact on seeding/selection. I know Creighton's AD even said that a few weeks before the tourney last year.

I'm hesitant to get into this with you because you have shown time and time again to never ever give one inch in any of these discussions, it's a complete bore and ruins thread after thread for many but here goes.

Do you think the committee takes these advanced metrics more into account than a teams true road games record?

[stever20]

I would think the advanced metrics probably mean more because the location is incorporated in it. I mean we saw that this past weekend. Creighton beat Seton Hall on the road by 15 points. Their rating went up from 60 to 40. They don't jump 20 spots if they win at home.

Even with that, the road/neutral record definitely helps PC out definitely.

I think they are just looking at games deeper than just win/loss. PC's problem has been they've had a lot of close wins. 1 Illinois 7 NJIT, 7 Bryant, 8 Rider.

[adoraz]

Stever's method of debating is to find one thing about your post to disagree with and then write 3 paragraphs about what is wrong with that sentence.

Yes Stever we all know advanced metrics play a part. The point is RPI is the most important metric. End of story.

Best just to not take him too seriously when he gets into it.

ESPN has been doing a solid job of praising the Big East this year.

[stever20]

Stever's method of debating is to find one thing about your post to disagree with and then write 3 paragraphs about what is wrong with that sentence.

Yes Stever we all know advanced metrics play a part. The point is RPI is the most important metric. End of story.

Best just to not take him too seriously when he gets into it.

ESPN has been doing a solid job of praising the Big East this year.

RPI wasn't the most important metric last year. Last year there were 4 teams that should have been in the tourney by RPI that weren't. Indiana, LSU, Ole Miss, and Purdue. 3 of those 4 didn't even play in Dayton. Only 2 teams in Ken Pom didn't make it- Florida and Vandy.

They are using RPI less and less.

[FriarJ]

So I ask again, to the committee is your advance metrics more important is a teams true road game record? Assuming a top 50 SOS for both scenarios.

[stever20]

So I ask again, to the committee is your advance metrics more important is a teams true road game record? Assuming a top 50 SOS for both scenarios.

I think the advanced metrics are more important because they incorporate the road record in their calculations.

[NovaBall]

Luckily for us it's called the NCAA tournament and not the KenPom or stever20 tournament. Curious what is PC's toughness metric on KenPom? Oh wait, he doesn't measure that? Whatever.

advanced metrics are starting to play more and more a role in the selection of the tournament along with the seeding of the tourney. Last year, that had a HUGE impact on seeding/selection. I know Creighton's AD even said that a few weeks before the tourney last year.

Advanced metrics are not part of the selection criteria.

[stever20]

Luckily for us it's called the NCAA tournament and not the KenPom or stever20 tournament. Curious what is PC's toughness metric on KenPom? Oh wait, he doesn't measure that? Whatever.

advanced metrics are starting to play more and more a role in the selection of the tournament along with the seeding of the tourney. Last year, that had a HUGE impact on seeding/selection. I know Creighton's AD even said that a few weeks before the tourney last year.

Advanced metrics are not part of the selection criteria.

Did you read the article?
from it:
These common-sense changes aren’t nearly as significant, though, as the committee’s increasing willingness to move away from the simple but inevitably flawed RPI to evaluate teams. Barnes acknowledged on Selection Sunday that the committee looked beyond RPI in deciding to leave Temple and Colorado State out of the field, but this week confirmed the use of such metrics as Ken Pomeroy’s and Jeff Sagarin’s efficiency ratings was even more extensive than Barnes described that day in March.

“More this year than any prior year, we looked at other systems when there were gaps and inconsistencies in the RPI,” Barnes said. “We talked more about it, how the RPI doesn’t tell the whole story.”

So it does seem like advanced metrics are not only part of the selection criteria now, but an increasingly bigger part of the selection process.

[FriarJ]

It's his MO when he's losing a point, he just goes away and pollutes another thread with his nonsense. He stated that PC was going to receive a poorer seed than many expect because of their advanced metrics. I asked him about a toughness metric, which manifests itself in true road wins. Crickets. Then I just came out with it and asked him directly what does the committee consider more important, his metrics or true road wins, of course everybody knows every year when answering seeding questions all they talk about is road wins, so in honesty I was baiting him but you would think he would have the balls to go you are right, I might have jumped the gun on my PC seeding comment, but Crickets. The definition of a message board loser who only wants to see their side of it.

I personally believe they look at them for seeding but at the end of the day your as good as your record says you are. PC won't finish the year unbeaten on the road for sure but a good record with a good road record gets you a good seed despite whether your rebound percentage on 3 point shots with less than 5 on the shot clock in a 5 point game being played before 3:00pm on a Saturday with a full moon in February was good or not

[stever20]

It's his MO when he's losing a point, he just goes away and pollutes another thread with his nonsense. He stated that PC was going to receive a poorer seed than many expect because of their advanced metrics. I asked him about a toughness metric, which manifests itself in true road wins. Crickets. Then I just came out with it and asked him directly what does the committee consider more important, his metrics or true road wins, of course everybody knows every year when answering seeding questions all they talk about is road wins, so in honesty I was baiting him but you would think he would have the balls to go you are right, I might have jumped the gun on my PC seeding comment, but Crickets. The definition of a message board loser who only wants to see their side of it.

I personally believe they look at them for seeding but at the end of the day your as good as your record says you are. PC won't finish the year unbeaten on the road for sure but a good record with a good road record gets you a good seed despite whether your rebound percentage on 3 point shots with less than 5 on the shot clock in a 5 point game being played before 3:00pm on a Saturday with a full moon in February was good or not

DId you read my post yesterday at 6:15pm... from it I said.....
I would think the advanced metrics probably mean more because the location is incorporated in it. I mean we saw that this past weekend. Creighton beat Seton Hall on the road by 15 points. Their rating went up from 60 to 40. They don't jump 20 spots if they win at home.

So I did answer your question.....

Now with regards to PC lets look at something...
right now they are only #21 in the RPI.

in bracket matrix- they are on average 4.35, tied with Iowa St for the lowest 4 seed.

Also- if I wasn't moderated you would have seen my answer faster and you wouldn't have questioned it. Your crickets comment is below the belt and you know it.