Big East Player of the Year to Date....

[billyjack]

I just learned that Novaball has been moderated, placed on "The Index".

The general workings of this site for 3 years have been to discuss Big East news, games, rosters, strategies, ratings, recruiting, really great stuff... how to improve the BE... stuff like that. It's recently been devolving into flame war threads of useless boring instigating and baiting and stuff like "you suck, no you suck, no you suck, no you all suck..." Zzzzzz.

I think the final straw leading to joining The Index was the thread on the Providence board. That site has a bunch of whackadoodles, but they actually look sane in that thread.

I have no problem and think the Josh Hart/ Kris Dunn discussion is entertaining. The pattern though of constant bickering is a waste of time and football fan style, and maybe that stuff can move to the csnbbs site.

[greenmonstafriar]

Kind of a dual discussion I another thread, but in 1996 we had a similar situation where one guy passed on the draft to return and was the consensus pick (Kittles), but a young player emerged around mid-season as the man (Ray Allen). Both had gr8 years, Kittles still was drafted in the lottery, but Ray Allen passed him.

Chelsea Friar posted a good article from their January 1996 game, postponed due to snow, where Ray Allen really took over the race by out playing Kittles. Kind of similar to this Saturday's game. Josh Hart to lead Nova to a double digit victory on FOX while Kris Dunn sits on the bench with 4 fouls to go along with his 6 turnovers, and the tides will have officially shifted in favor of Hart for POY.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/10/sport ... anova.html

Kittles vs Allen is not really similar when you look at the numbers. Allen scored 23.4 ppg while Kittles scored 20.4. He was also more efficient. All the other numbers are very similar.

Dunn vs Hart isn't like that at all. Dunn scores more, has way more assists, and more steals. Hart leads rebounds by 1 per game. Is Hart more efficient? Absolutely. But he's not forced to do as much on offense. Thanks to http://www.Hoop-Math.com Hart is assisted on about 90% of his threes and 50% of his shots at the rim. Dunn is at 50% and 30%. And Dunn has actually been a better three-point shooter. Does Dunn turn the ball over a little more than I would like from a PG? Yes but in comparison to Hart, that's not exactly fair. Hart has just 1.3 TOs per game, but only 1.6 assists per game. For someone who scores less and has 5 fewer assists per game, you would hope they didn't turn the ball over as much.

If Dunn is sitting on the bench it will be because he was guarding Villanova's most important offensive player and greatest actor, Ryan Arcidiacono. And just to make Jada Pinkett Smith more upset, his performance will get a last minute Oscar nomination.

[NovaBall]

Apparently posting Doug Gottleib's opinion on player of the year is the equivalent of me saying Kris Dunn sucks.
And not agreeing with St. John's fans that Nova is a disgrace is again me being a jerk.

Oh yeah, the kumbaya circle, we must praise the other schools (except bashing Nova is fine).....

[GumbyDamnit!]

Kind of a dual discussion I another thread, but in 1996 we had a similar situation where one guy passed on the draft to return and was the consensus pick (Kittles), but a young player emerged around mid-season as the man (Ray Allen). Both had gr8 years, Kittles still was drafted in the lottery, but Ray Allen passed him.

Chelsea Friar posted a good article from their January 1996 game, postponed due to snow, where Ray Allen really took over the race by out playing Kittles. Kind of similar to this Saturday's game. Josh Hart to lead Nova to a double digit victory on FOX while Kris Dunn sits on the bench with 4 fouls to go along with his 6 turnovers, and the tides will have officially shifted in favor of Hart for POY.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/10/sport ... anova.html

Kittles vs Allen is not really similar when you look at the numbers. Allen scored 23.4 ppg while Kittles scored 20.4. He was also more efficient. All the other numbers are very similar.

Dunn vs Hart isn't like that at all. Dunn scores more, has way more assists, and more steals. Hart leads rebounds by 1 per game. Is Hart more efficient? Absolutely. But he's not forced to do as much on offense. Thanks to http://www.Hoop-Math.com Hart is assisted on about 90% of his threes and 50% of his shots at the rim. Dunn is at 50% and 30%. And Dunn has actually been a better three-point shooter. Does Dunn turn the ball over a little more than I would like from a PG? Yes but in comparison to Hart, that's not exactly fair. Hart has just 1.3 TOs per game, but only 1.6 assists per game. For someone who scores less and has 5 fewer assists per game, you would hope they didn't turn the ball over as much.

If Dunn is sitting on the bench it will be because he was guarding Villanova's most important offensive player and greatest actor, Ryan Arcidiacono. And just to make Jada Pinkett Smith more upset, his performance will get a last minute Oscar nomination.

A wise man once said:

The pattern though of constant bickering is a waste of time and football fan style, and maybe that stuff can move to the csnbbs site.

[ChestRockwell85]

I just learned that Novaball has been moderated, placed on "The Index".

The general workings of this site for 3 years have been to discuss Big East news, games, rosters, strategies, ratings, recruiting, really great stuff... how to improve the BE... stuff like that. It's recently been devolving into flame war threads of useless boring instigating and baiting and stuff like "you suck, no you suck, no you suck, no you all suck..." Zzzzzz.

I think the final straw leading to joining The Index was the thread on the Providence board. That site has a bunch of whackadoodles, but they actually look sane in that thread.

I have no problem and think the Josh Hart/ Kris Dunn discussion is entertaining. The pattern though of constant bickering is a waste of time and football fan style, and maybe that stuff can move to the csnbbs site.

billyjack, can you post the link to the thread on the Providence board? Contrary to popular belief, although I visit other Big East team's message boards, I do not post on them. I am just curious to see what our ol' pal ball was saying on there. I know, I know, if I was a fan of another team, his nonsense would probably make me want to kill myself. I get that. I just find him entertaining.

What does being placed on "The Index" mean anyway?

[mpwalsh8]

I just learned that Novaball has been moderated, placed on "The Index".

The general workings of this site for 3 years have been to discuss Big East news, games, rosters, strategies, ratings, recruiting, really great stuff... how to improve the BE... stuff like that. It's recently been devolving into flame war threads of useless boring instigating and baiting and stuff like "you suck, no you suck, no you suck, no you all suck..." Zzzzzz.

I think the final straw leading to joining The Index was the thread on the Providence board. That site has a bunch of whackadoodles, but they actually look sane in that thread.

I have no problem and think the Josh Hart/ Kris Dunn discussion is entertaining. The pattern though of constant bickering is a waste of time and football fan style, and maybe that stuff can move to the csnbbs site.

billyjack, can you post the link to the thread on the Providence board? Contrary to popular belief, although I visit other Big East team's message boards, I do not post on them. I am just curious to see what our ol' pal ball was saying on there. I know, I know, if I was a fan of another team, his nonsense would probably make me want to kill myself. I get that. I just find him entertaining.

What does being placed on "The Index" mean anyway?

Enjoy: http://www.scout.com/college/providence ... -accolades

[Irishdawg]

Based on the way the voting went last year, my guess is that Dunn will once again be sharing the award with a Villanova player (most likely Hart, although I figured it'd be Hilliard last year and it was Arcidiacono, so it could wind up being Patrick Farrell for all we know). Jay Wright will win coach of the year, Brunson will be right there with Ellenson for Rookie of the Year, etc.

At this point if you want another team to start populating these awards, you better beat Villanova. Until then, this is likely the route they'll continue to go. Coaches don't put a ton of thought into these things, nor would I want them to since it's of little importance to their job, and that's who votes on the end of the year awards.

[DudeAnon]

There are 3 ways of looking at it.

1- which team would fall of the most without this player
2- best player regardless of their team
3- best player on the best team

Last year it was Dunn and Arch right? So Dunn would would be 1 and 2 and Arch was 3.

This year, I think 1 would be Mo Watson of Creighton, 2 would be Dunn and Hart would be 3.