This is NOT GOOD!

[MUBoxer]

1. They can't have all the independent money they want as the NCAA. Prohibits them from most realistic means of income. There are thousands of students who also have jobs on campus that get paid. Why are athletes so different?

2. High school coaches are teachers first. AAU players would get paid but...NCAA rules would make them ineligible.

3. Realistically the union would be amongst the P6 and would be run by lawyers like every other sports union.

1. Is there a limit to NIL compensation? Yes it's limited now but the legislation has passed for compensation for said independent money. Also, you get a job once you're on campus not recruited and scholarshipped to work in the cafeteria or book store. That's why the compensation is there, if school wanted to directly pay for tuition for working in the book store I'm sure more people would do that.

2. Idk about you but my HS lacrosse coach was not a teacher. The JV coaches were but not varsity. Also is that a fact with AAU? I don't know enough about how that works but it seems paying young players for low visibility media sales and low ticket sales isn't a great business prospect.

3. And there is lies another problem. It takes away any standardization. Most these players know jack about budgets, sunken costs into these programs, a million expenses go into giving them the education for up to 5yrs, private tutors, fancy gear, play in massive arenas, keep arenas clean, make sure they fly on private jets (for the bigger teams), the list goes on. Too many of you focus solely on A) Coaches salary (agree its obscene) B) Media money. It's like nobody on your side has every given thought to the actual balance sheet of an athletic department.

[DudeAnon]

1. They can't have all the independent money they want as the NCAA. Prohibits them from most realistic means of income. There are thousands of students who also have jobs on campus that get paid. Why are athletes so different?

2. High school coaches are teachers first. AAU players would get paid but...NCAA rules would make them ineligible.

3. Realistically the union would be amongst the P6 and would be run by lawyers like every other sports union.

1. Is there a limit to NIL compensation? Yes it's limited now but the legislation has passed for compensation for said independent money. Also, you get a job once you're on campus not recruited and scholarshipped to work in the cafeteria or book store. That's why the compensation is there, if school wanted to directly pay for tuition for working in the book store I'm sure more people would do that.

2. Idk about you but my HS lacrosse coach was not a teacher. The JV coaches were but not varsity. Also is that a fact with AAU? I don't know enough about how that works but it seems paying young players for low visibility media sales and low ticket sales isn't a great business prospect.

3. And there is lies another problem. It takes away any standardization. Most these players know jack about budgets, sunken costs into these programs, a million expenses go into giving them the education for up to 5yrs, private tutors, fancy gear, play in massive arenas, keep arenas clean, make sure they fly on private jets (for the bigger teams), the list goes on. Too many of you focus solely on A) Coaches salary (agree its obscene) B) Media money. It's like nobody on your side has every given thought to the actual balance sheet of an athletic department.

Look. We can argue technicalities forever. But at the end of the day, I believe college athletics is a very profitable business that the players are immorally being prohibited from enjoying the profits of. Personally, I think 50k a year (for basketball) could easily be done for all P6 programs and would substantially augment these kids' lives. And before you argue how many school's can't afford it. In basketball that would be around 500-600k a year. Every single head coach (though I am not proposing the money comes from their salary) could take a 500k cut and still be getting paid over a million dollars a year. The fact that these kids graduate with $0 dollars in their bank account and a future having to leave the country to earn a living makes me sick. I love college basketball and believe you can preserve the spirit while paying the players. 50k per scholarship, keep academic eligibility rules and the transfer rule. The average big east coach makes around 2 mil a year. That is $1000 per hour based on a 40 hour work week. You can't tell me there isn't money for the players.

[MUBoxer]

Look. We can argue technicalities forever. But at the end of the day, I believe college athletics is a very profitable business that the players are immorally being prohibited from enjoying the profits of. Personally, I think 50k a year (for basketball) could easily be done for all P6 programs and would substantially augment these kids' lives. And before you argue how many school's can't afford it. In basketball that would be around 500-600k a year. Every single head coach (though I am not proposing the money comes from their salary) could take a 500k cut and still be getting paid over a million dollars a year. The fact that these kids graduate with $0 dollars in their bank account and a future having to leave the country to earn a living makes me sick. I love college basketball and believe you can preserve the spirit while paying the players. 50k per scholarship, keep academic eligibility rules and the transfer rule. The average big east coach makes around 2 mil a year. That is $1000 per hour based on a 40 hour work week. You can't tell me there isn't money for the players.

Or you could look at it as they graduate with $0 in loans compared to crippling loans their classmates are and have a million connections for a great starting salary job now that they have a college degree since they aren't good enough to play in the NBA/GLeague.

Also sorry for no sympathy for the poor souls that have to leave to get rent paid for, stipends for food, if in Europe then little to no health care costs, and all the wile have fun playing a game across the world. That's not exactly moving to a third world country and living off of scraps.

What is your answer for hockey? Schools like Minnesota, Wisconsin or North Dakota rake in cash from college hockey, about 95% of programs do not. Do only those 5% of schools get paid? Same could be said about college baseball at certain schools, volleyball in the Pac12. Are these athletes not bringing in money to their schools and working as hard as the basketball and football players? And if your answer is that "the majority of schools operate those sports at a loss" then why is it different for basketball just because the schools making money are making much more?

Lastly I admit coaches are vastly overpaid but I don't think the coach at various summit of Horizon or Patriot league (aka the vast majority of schools) is getting those multi million dollar contracts for 50k per a player.

[DudeAnon]

Look. We can argue technicalities forever. But at the end of the day, I believe college athletics is a very profitable business that the players are immorally being prohibited from enjoying the profits of. Personally, I think 50k a year (for basketball) could easily be done for all P6 programs and would substantially augment these kids' lives. And before you argue how many school's can't afford it. In basketball that would be around 500-600k a year. Every single head coach (though I am not proposing the money comes from their salary) could take a 500k cut and still be getting paid over a million dollars a year. The fact that these kids graduate with $0 dollars in their bank account and a future having to leave the country to earn a living makes me sick. I love college basketball and believe you can preserve the spirit while paying the players. 50k per scholarship, keep academic eligibility rules and the transfer rule. The average big east coach makes around 2 mil a year. That is $1000 per hour based on a 40 hour work week. You can't tell me there isn't money for the players.

Or you could look at it as they graduate with $0 in loans compared to crippling loans their classmates are and have a million connections for a great starting salary job now that they have a college degree since they aren't good enough to play in the NBA/GLeague.

Also sorry for no sympathy for the poor souls that have to leave to get rent paid for, stipends for food, if in Europe then little to no health care costs, and all the wile have fun playing a game across the world. That's not exactly moving to a third world country and living off of scraps.

What is your answer for hockey? Schools like Minnesota, Wisconsin or North Dakota rake in cash from college hockey, about 95% of programs do not. Do only those 5% of schools get paid? Same could be said about college baseball at certain schools, volleyball in the Pac12. Are these athletes not bringing in money to their schools and working as hard as the basketball and football players? And if your answer is that "the majority of schools operate those sports at a loss" then why is it different for basketball just because the schools making money are making much more?

Lastly I admit coaches are vastly overpaid but I don't think the coach at various summit of Horizon or Patriot league (aka the vast majority of schools) is getting those multi million dollar contracts for 50k per a player.

Well you seem pretty heartless. So I won't bother appealing to you in a moral sense. The fact remains, in any other context the NCAA would be considered a cartel that colludes to keep labor costs down. In fact, this is exactly what the NFL, MLB and NBA are considered when their agreement with the players union expires. So either adapt a free market and allow schools to pay players what the market would demand or agree to a union contract like every other league. Anything less is flagrantly immoral in my mind. That will be my last post on the matter, I'd suggest you take a look in the mirror and think about why someone getting paid troubles you so much.

[MUBoxer]

Look. We can argue technicalities forever. But at the end of the day, I believe college athletics is a very profitable business that the players are immorally being prohibited from enjoying the profits of. Personally, I think 50k a year (for basketball) could easily be done for all P6 programs and would substantially augment these kids' lives. And before you argue how many school's can't afford it. In basketball that would be around 500-600k a year. Every single head coach (though I am not proposing the money comes from their salary) could take a 500k cut and still be getting paid over a million dollars a year. The fact that these kids graduate with $0 dollars in their bank account and a future having to leave the country to earn a living makes me sick. I love college basketball and believe you can preserve the spirit while paying the players. 50k per scholarship, keep academic eligibility rules and the transfer rule. The average big east coach makes around 2 mil a year. That is $1000 per hour based on a 40 hour work week. You can't tell me there isn't money for the players.

Or you could look at it as they graduate with $0 in loans compared to crippling loans their classmates are and have a million connections for a great starting salary job now that they have a college degree since they aren't good enough to play in the NBA/GLeague.

Also sorry for no sympathy for the poor souls that have to leave to get rent paid for, stipends for food, if in Europe then little to no health care costs, and all the wile have fun playing a game across the world. That's not exactly moving to a third world country and living off of scraps.

What is your answer for hockey? Schools like Minnesota, Wisconsin or North Dakota rake in cash from college hockey, about 95% of programs do not. Do only those 5% of schools get paid? Same could be said about college baseball at certain schools, volleyball in the Pac12. Are these athletes not bringing in money to their schools and working as hard as the basketball and football players? And if your answer is that "the majority of schools operate those sports at a loss" then why is it different for basketball just because the schools making money are making much more?

Lastly I admit coaches are vastly overpaid but I don't think the coach at various summit of Horizon or Patriot league (aka the vast majority of schools) is getting those multi million dollar contracts for 50k per a player.

Well you seem pretty heartless. So I won't bother appealing to you in a moral sense. The fact remains, in any other context the NCAA would be considered a cartel that colludes to keep labor costs down. In fact, this is exactly what the NFL, MLB and NBA are considered when their agreement with the players union expires. So either adapt a free market and allow schools to pay players what the market would demand or agree to a union contract like every other league. Anything less is flagrantly immoral in my mind. That will be my last post on the matter, I'd suggest you take a look in the mirror and think about why someone getting paid troubles you so much.

No actual retort, I guess if you can't debate then you switch to personal attacks? Very current president of you, showing some real Xavier/Jesuit values there.

I said why it bothers me, I busted my ass boxing through college, I paid, I went to class. I would have killed for a scholarship available to myself like they did and rather than appreciate it it's all "more more more". If you can't grasp that concept and want to be holier than though go for it. If you cannot grasp my perspective that if they get paid by the university then they should have to pay their own way and earn legit scholarships then there's no way to talk to you. But either way you're flat out wrong about the pro league comparison. Maybe you come from an upper middle class or higher family where you don't grasp how much tuition is? Maybe you were such a genius that you got a full ride and can't grasp how much tuition is? Maybe you didn't take basic accounting or finance? But there is compensation for those who want it, those who don't are more than welcome to find other routes where there's traditional unions and compensation.

[gtmoBlue]

MU Boxer.

NIL is not about any/all universities paying players. It is about their having the ability to enter contracts (via their agents) with businesses/others to pay for the use of the athlete's Name-image-likeness.
NIL will only apply to football and basketball players, so your hockey, swimming, LaCrosse and other sports are shit outta luck. NIL will only apply to a small top percentage of players, as
most businesses are not banks and will use their limited capital wisely, and probably only on a year-to-year basis. So maybe 10% of football/basketball players will actually be involved in a given year.
Your local banks, car dealers, Chain food stores, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. could contract for the kid to do commercials or be a spokesperson.

An even smaller percentage <1% may have the opportunity to contract with a Coca-cola, Adidas, Russell Sporting Goods, Pizza Hut, Subway, or other large company-including one that
may also be a university sponsor. The NCAA's proposed bill would prohit this, but the Gonzalez bill in the House of Reps. would allow such activities and schools/NCAA would be prohibited
from interfering/blocking these athletes. Boxers never have any luck...back in your day - or now. shit happens.

[MUBoxer]

MU Boxer.

NIL is not about any/all universities paying players. It is about their having the ability to enter contracts (via their agents) with businesses/others to pay for the use of the athlete's Name-image-likeness.
NIL will only apply to football and basketball players, so your hockey, swimming, LaCrosse and other sports are shit outta luck. NIL will only apply to a small top percentage of players, as
most businesses are not banks and will use their limited capital wisely, and probably only on a year-to-year basis. So maybe 10% of football/basketball players will actually be involved in a given year.
Your local banks, car dealers, Chain food stores, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. could contract for the kid to do commercials or be a spokesperson.

An even smaller percentage <1% may have the opportunity to contract with a Coca-cola, Adidas, Russell Sporting Goods, Pizza Hut, Subway, or other large company-including one that
may also be a university sponsor. The NCAA's proposed bill would prohit this, but the Gonzalez bill in the House of Reps. would allow such activities and schools/NCAA would be prohibited
from interfering/blocking these athletes. Boxers never have any luck...back in your day - or now. shit happens.

You're wrong GTMO NIL applies to all athletes, taken from the NCAA's own website unless you've found some toy fine print where they say otherwise? It's very easy for us to think just basketball and football will make money because we're basketball fans from primarily basketball schools in basketball markets (college basketball in the case of Creighton, UConn and Prov). Fact is that's not the case across the board. Bottom line is there's plenty of startups, and niche products with loads of capitol that pay a ton of money for people with less social media followers than your average college athlete. You keep bringing up examples of places that'd be used in a traditional sense not in terms of modern social media sponsorships that make teenagers and 20 somethings millionaires for no logical reason. Not to mention those massive companies do run temporary market specific ads during select programming (ie Frozen Four) are you insinuating that Nike will be paying the next big basketball or football star for their face on an ad during that programming which won't resonate? But what do I know I only work in marketing analytics for a Fortune 500 that does sponsorships for the PGA, bowl games and NFL.

"UCLA gymnast and 2016 Olympic gold medalist Madison Kocian had a projected annual endorsement value of $466,000. The study, which projected the UCLA gymnastics team to be worth as much as $1,250,000 annually, estimated that popular athletes like Kocian and Anthony could generate about $4,000 per Instagram post.

The study projected that less popular college athletes could make between $5,000 and $30,000 on their NIL."

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/colleg ... 0-000.html

AthleticDirectorU is a website with a mission to enlighten and educate college athletic leadership. It came up with a simple formula to figure out just how valuable college athletes could be. It took an athlete’s Instagram following — Instagram is a big outlet for social media influencers and their ability to gain endorsements — and multiplied it by .80. The website figured that pro athletes get about 80 cents per follower in endorsements.

Of the top 25 most valuable athletes by this measure, two of the top 12 were recently graduated WVU gymnasts. Erica Fontaine was No. 5. Her 448,000 Instagram followers were, according to AthleticDirectorU’s formula, worth about $342,000 (that’s more than former Georgia quarterback Jake Fromm and current Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields, by the way). Teammate Chloe Cluchey was at No. 12, and her 232,000 Instagram followers were worth about $148,000.

Scan the list and you see that money-sport athletes are standing shoulder to shoulder with Olympic-sport athletes. The list includes baseball players, track and field athletes, volleyball players, softball players, women’s basketball players, gymnasts and women’s tennis players. There are 14 women on the list to 11 men

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/sports/co ... 3db81.html

You're right that Joe's car shop or John's grocer commercials aren't going to be spending a ton on Olympic sport athletes but in terms of social media sponsorships and new money then you couldn't be farther off when considering some of the examples in these articles.

And you're right boxers are always shat on since the NCAA banned it but I stand by my stance that tuition shouldn't be used to pay players, and since not every schools is taking in the big bucks from these sports that's inevitably what'll happen. If they want to form a union for better medical practices, or something to that effect go for it.

[MUBoxer]

MU Boxer.

NIL is not about any/all universities paying players. It is about their having the ability to enter contracts (via their agents) with businesses/others to pay for the use of the athlete's Name-image-likeness.
NIL will only apply to football and basketball players, so your hockey, swimming, LaCrosse and other sports are shit outta luck. NIL will only apply to a small top percentage of players, as
most businesses are not banks and will use their limited capital wisely, and probably only on a year-to-year basis. So maybe 10% of football/basketball players will actually be involved in a given year.
Your local banks, car dealers, Chain food stores, Walmart, Home Depot, etc. could contract for the kid to do commercials or be a spokesperson.

An even smaller percentage <1% may have the opportunity to contract with a Coca-cola, Adidas, Russell Sporting Goods, Pizza Hut, Subway, or other large company-including one that
may also be a university sponsor. The NCAA's proposed bill would prohit this, but the Gonzalez bill in the House of Reps. would allow such activities and schools/NCAA would be prohibited
from interfering/blocking these athletes. Boxers never have any luck...back in your day - or now. shit happens.

Additional link that is referenced in the initial source I provided and its the one I was originally looking for that breaks it down much more granular also pokes holes in your alleged numbers that you haven't provided a source for other than your own YouTube video.

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/ ... -athletes/

As college athletics continue to grapple with the implementation of a fair and balanced set of rules for student-athletes to monetize their Name, Image and Likeness (NIL), the question of just how much money they could generate has been the subject of much speculation. In a continued effort to provide intercollegiate leaders with key insights, AthleticDirectorU teamed up with Navigate Research – one of the most trusted sources of media, marketing, and sponsorship valuations in the industry – to determine how much student-athletes can make off their NIL in both group licensing and free-market scenarios.

It goes on to explain the methodology a little, and it includes a list of the athletes they say would have cashed in biggest this past year.

Cole Anthony would have been No. 1, with the ability to make nearly $500K, but the biggest surprise is how many women are on the list, even from less-visible sports.

For example, 5 gymnasts, 2 women's basketball players and a softball player all would have brought in more than the No. 3 men's basketball player on the list, Cassius Winston.

Northwestern volleyball athlete Alana Walker was No. 18 ... three spots (and $19K) ahead of Obi Toppin, the men's Naismith Award winner.

[gtmoBlue]

Here are the links for the Gonzalez-Cleaver Name-Image-Likeness Bill. Student Athlete Level Playing Field Act

https://anthonygonzalez.house.gov/news/ ... mentID=288

https://anthonygonzalez.house.gov/uploa ... _pager.pdf

https://anthonygonzalez.house.gov/uploa ... ld_act.pdf