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Re: Time to Eat Crow

Postby kayako » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:52 pm

ecasadoSBU wrote:I think Uconn impact will be limited... It will be the sole public school. But if the B.E were to add more publics down the line I could see a potential competitive disadvantage for the private schools.


If the majority can't compete with public schools, we'll slowly inch closer to A10 or WCC down the road. It'll happen whether there are public schools in the conference or not. I want no part of such defeated mentality.
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Postby gtmoBlue » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:22 pm

BE Return On Expenses

Looks like Nova, SH, and Prov, benefitted the most from the revamping...based on Conf ROE. St Johns had a marginal benefit.

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Old Big East ROE+ rankings, 2008-13

Xavier
Norte Dame
West Virginia ('08-12)
Pittsburgh
Connecticut
Cincinnati
Villanova
Syracuse
Georgetown
Louisville
Marquette
South Florida
Seton Hall
Providence
Rutgers
Saint John's
DePaul

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New Big East ROE+ rankings, 2014-17

Villanova
Butler
Xavier
Seton Hall
Creighton
Providence
Saint John's
Marquette
Georgetown
DePaul

Creighton marginally improved, although the competition is much greater.
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Missouri Valley ROE+ rankings, 2008-17

Northern Iowa
Illinois State
Indiana State
Wichita State
Missouri State
Evansville
Creighton ('08-13)
Southern Illinois
Drake
Loyola Chicago ('14-17)
Bradley


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A decade of expenses in College Basketball from '08-'17 had what ROI results? We knew the budgets were scattered, but some of the disparity may shock you.
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I was working on a tourny success piece and came across @andrewdieckhoff work on ROE. Check it out. Interesting stuff.

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Yes. @andrewdieckhoff has some good notes about how you cant just go by wins because wins have different weights so my baseline was tourny wins. Here is Avg Expense and Avg Season Total wins over 10 yrs. Wins have different weights here though.
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Re: Time to Eat Crow

Postby gtmoBlue » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:38 pm

another way to show expense/benefit.
Looks like CU benefitted from the move, but needs to spend more to make a SS/EE realistically.
Everyone can't be overachievers like Butler, X, and Nova. Some have to spend their way better.

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Interesting baseline per roun of NCAAs...expenses vs expectations

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