Sat. Dec. 29, 2018 (4) Big East Games....

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I take a little bit of issue with Zach's headline there. The Big East didn't screw St. John's - Michael Stephens did. Stephens was obviously wrong to blow the whistle, but what does Zach want the league to do? Unfortunately we don't currently have the ability to rewind time and pull the whistle out of his mouth, so they proceeded in the only way the rules allowed.

But why the cover-up, they're saying the clock never started, when in fact it went from 3.9 to 3.5, then they looked at it, then they put it to 3.1.
This issue with most sju fans isn't the whistle on the court. It's the bs by the league, trying to cover it up.

Just admit to the f up.

[Hall2012]

I take a little bit of issue with Zach's headline there. The Big East didn't screw St. John's - Michael Stephens did. Stephens was obviously wrong to blow the whistle, but what does Zach want the league to do? Unfortunately we don't currently have the ability to rewind time and pull the whistle out of his mouth, so they proceeded in the only way the rules allowed.

But why the cover-up, they're saying the clock never started, when in fact it went from 3.9 to 3.5, then they looked at it, then they put it to 3.1.
This issue with most sju fans isn't the whistle on the court. It's the bs by the league, trying to cover it up.

Just admit to the f up.

The statement did admit the F up. Stephens said he blew the whistle because the clock started late, not didn't start at all, which brings in more confusion. Apparently the review determined that he was wrong, but they still adjusted the clock by another .4 seconds. It sounds like that actually gave the league an opening to say Stephens was right and the clock started 4/10ths of a second late. Though any reasonable person would say that's not worth stopping the game over, one could argue it's the difference between being allowed to catch and shoot or not. If they're trying to cover something up, they didn't finish the job.

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I take a little bit of issue with Zach's headline there. The Big East didn't screw St. John's - Michael Stephens did. Stephens was obviously wrong to blow the whistle, but what does Zach want the league to do? Unfortunately we don't currently have the ability to rewind time and pull the whistle out of his mouth, so they proceeded in the only way the rules allowed.

But why the cover-up, they're saying the clock never started, when in fact it went from 3.9 to 3.5, then they looked at it, then they put it to 3.1.
This issue with most sju fans isn't the whistle on the court. It's the bs by the league, trying to cover it up.

Just admit to the f up.

The statement did admit the F up. Stephens said he blew the whistle because the clock started late, not didn't start at all, which brings in more confusion. Apparently the review determined that he was wrong, but they still adjusted the clock by another .4 seconds. It sounds like that actually gave the league an opening to say Stephens was right and the clock started 4/10ths of a second late. Though any reasonable person would say that's not worth stopping the game over, one could argue it's the difference between being allowed to catch and shoot or not. If they're trying to cover something up, they didn't finish the job.

He was watching the play, he could he watch both the play and the clock? Bs. He blew the whistle because he anticipated the player being out of bounds.

[Hall2012]

Entirely possible. In which case he's covering it up. The league just passed on his explanation.

The other explanation I heard but have no clue on the validity of is that he has control of the clock (a switch on his belt or something) and felt that he switched it on late.

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Entirely possible. In which case he's covering it up. The league just passed on his explanation.

The other explanation I heard but have no clue on the validity of is that he has control of the clock (a switch on his belt or something) and felt that he switched it on late.

Why do you think the refs were taking so long, for a timing error? BS.
They were trying to come up something.

Just hope the NCAA tournament committee remembers this.

[Hall2012]

Entirely possible. In which case he's covering it up. The league just passed on his explanation.

The other explanation I heard but have no clue on the validity of is that he has control of the clock (a switch on his belt or something) and felt that he switched it on late.

Why do you think the refs were taking so long, for a timing error? BS.
They were trying to come up something.

Just hope the NCAA tournament committee remembers this.

I can't speak to the delay as I couldn't watch live and am going off highlights. I sincerely hope the Johnnies overcome this and comfortably make the tournament. Its the for the league because as things stand SJU needed that one more.

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The call itself was egregious. But trying to hit-and-run the aftermath without a answering it with a human voice is even worse. Nice accountability, Big East. #sjubbMike Vaccaro added,
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I find it pretty weak Big East waited 2 days to admit mistake that was obvious to everyone and won’t make anyone available to comment on it. #sjubb
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Mike, hit-and-run aside, do you believe the statement? Do you believe the official noticed a clock delay in that little time? Can we all agree he thought the ball was going out and jumped the gun? Watch the replay, he wasn't even looking at a clock. Isn't plainly obvious?
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That’s what I think happened. Blew the whistle, knew he goofed, had to figure out a reason to explain why and the league is now enabling that. Just a terrible look all the way around.
2:02 PM - 31 Dec 2018

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And with that I'm gonna say happy new years everyone.

I'm out.

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Big East Statement on the SJU-SHU finish:

The BIG EAST Conference has conducted a thorough review of the final 3.9 seconds of the St. John’s at Seton Hall men’s basketball game played on December 29. The official has confirmed to the Conference Office that he stopped play based on a perceived delay in the activation of the game clock following an inbounds pass by Seton Hall. This was a non-correctable judgment call that we have determined was an error in judgment by the official. Once the judgment call was made, however, the application and administration of all NCAA rules were handled correctly by the officials for the duration of the game. These included the following:

A video review on the basis of a timing error. NCAA rules do not permit officials to make assessments or provide rulings on other components of the play.
Possession of the ball being given to Seton Hall.
A permissible substitution by Seton Hall.
In addition, there have been media reports and speculation regarding NCAA rules pertaining to “inadvertent whistles” and the role of the possession arrow in determining possession of the ball in this situation. To be clear, the whistle in this case was not inadvertent, but intentional. However, if there had been an inadvertent whistle, NCAA rules would have awarded possession to Seton Hall (Rule 6-4.1.g.).

BIG EAST officials, who are among the most capable in college basketball, are held to the highest standards and are rigorously evaluated on play-calling and application of rules. The Conference Office remains committed to ensuring that our games are officiated in a manner commensurate with the high level of competition in our league and the intensity displayed by all of our member programs.

Obviously the initial blowing of the whistle was incorrect - that's indisputable. But I'm glad they cleared up a couple things including the "illegal substitution" myth and the erroneous thought that it should have gone to the possession arrow. Perhaps the arrow would have seemed more fair given the circumstance, but there was nothing in the rulebook at that allowed for it. Not that it should make SJU fans feel any better - the initial whistle was still inexcusable.

You think they'd ever actually admit a game changing mistake?

[Hall2012]

The statement says the referee made an error in judgement. Is that not admitting a mistake?